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Old 03-04-2008, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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I love diversity, but you couldn't pay me to live in a place that you just described:

Thats why I have a slight fascination with Texas cities, I love country music, barbeque, but I still like to be in a place that has people from all over the world.

I CAN'T stand people who are elitist toward of look down on country music or barbeque, steak, etc. I would go nuts in a place where people were only into foreign films, foreign music, etc.

Down home American culture is part of diversity too!!!!
Of course. That's why I am glad not everybody is like me But I'd like to be around more people who I can relate to than I am here.
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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I love diversity, but you couldn't pay me to live in a place that you just described:

Thats why I have a slight fascination with Texas cities, I love country music, barbeque, but I still like to be in a place that has people from all over the world.

I CAN'T stand people who are elitist toward of look down on country music or barbeque, steak, etc. I would go nuts in a place where people were only into foreign films, foreign music, etc.

Down home American culture is part of diversity too!!!!
The same snobby and really outdated logic also excludes ghetto areas from being considered "cosmopolitan", however, I consider some hood areas to be among the most cosmopolitan.

The San Antonio District of Oakland has everything from Russian & Tongan Churches to Laotian and Liberian bars and support groups to Guatemalan and Eritrean restaurants and businesses-literally on the same block. I was born and raised in this neighborhood and really was exposed to so much culture and food and art and music from around the world that once I actually ventured out into the world, it seemed that I had a whole education on many of these places without even leaving Oakland.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2002/05/31/ba_oaklandmap.jpg (broken link)
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:47 AM
 
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I CAN'T stand people who are elitist toward of look down on country music or barbeque, steak, etc. I would go nuts in a place where people were only into foreign films, foreign music, etc.
I lived in the DC area for 5 years and have no idea what Terrapin is talking about. Nobody I met was into foreign music or films.
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Old 03-04-2008, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Anybody else?
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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from whait i've seen firsat hand (and i actually go out at night) - ny, boston, phillly, dc, miami, atlanta, la, san fran, san diego,)

never been to texas - dallas, houston or new orleans.
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:25 PM
 
Location: in pa, but missin montana
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seattle baby!
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Old 03-04-2008, 10:50 PM
 
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Please! The mayor Gavin Newsom doesn't seem to think so. He's in Chicago every other week kissing mayor Daley's ass. Daley the man he has said is the best mayor of our time. Newsom has made it perfectly clear that Chicago is the model he uses when envisioning a 21st. Century San Fran. There have been numerous articles in the S.F. Chronicle discussing S.F's city government and their desire to, and I quote "change San Fran into Chicago". A takes more than a great Asian food scene, a wharf, a huge gay community and a couple of cultural institution to be cosmopolitan. Actually, I put NYC, Chicago, San Fran, and DC at the top, but for you to suggest that San Fran is in the same league as NYC, in anything, is laughable. At least Mayor Newsom seems to think so and he should know
I never said SF was more cosmopolitan than NYC. I agree with you that NY is number 1 going away. I'm not sure what city government has to do with being cosmopolitan. I would agree that Daley is 20x better than Newsome, but I don't see how that relates to this discussion. And come on, the wharf as cosmopolitan? Give me a break!

SF is far more cosmopolitan than Chicago - I'm sorry if you don't agree but it's true. If you look at the Bay Area as a whole vs Chicagoland, the difference is even more drastic. Silicon Valley, Marin, Napa vs. Naperville, Joliet, and Evanston (I like Evanston a lot, but come on....). Not even close!

You honestly believe the average person from Chicago is more cosmopolitan than the average SF resident? I understand you live there, but I don't see how you can honestly feel that way. Now, if you were to limit Chicago to say Lincoln Park/Wicker Park/Loop/Bucktown/Lakeview/Lincoln Square, then you'd have an argument....
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Old 03-04-2008, 11:10 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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I never said SF was more cosmopolitan than NYC. I agree with you that NY is number 1 going away. I'm not sure what city government has to do with being cosmopolitan. I would agree that Daley is 20x better than Newsome, but I don't see how that relates to this discussion. And come on, the wharf as cosmopolitan? Give me a break!

SF is far more cosmopolitan than Chicago - I'm sorry if you don't agree but it's true. If you look at the Bay Area as a whole vs Chicagoland, the difference is even more drastic. Silicon Valley, Marin, Napa vs. Naperville, Joliet, and Evanston (I like Evanston a lot, but come on....). Not even close!

You honestly believe the average person from Chicago is more cosmopolitan than the average SF resident? I understand you live there, but I don't see how you can honestly feel that way. Now, if you were to limit Chicago to say Lincoln Park/Wicker Park/Loop/Bucktown/Lakeview/Lincoln Square, then you'd have an argument....

I have never really scene an entire metropolitan area be cosmopolitan.

Just the center city. The suburbs are just that: suburbs, be it in New York (sorry Long Island), Chicago (sorry North Shore), or SF (sorry.... whatever names you call them)
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Old 03-04-2008, 11:27 PM
 
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I have never really scene an entire metropolitan area be cosmopolitan.

Just the center city. The suburbs are just that: suburbs, be it in New York (sorry Long Island), Chicago (sorry North Shore), or SF (sorry.... whatever names you call them)
It's a bit hard to describe, but suburbs in the Bay Area aren't really suburbs. Weird, I know. Marin county is pretty cosmopolitan, and Napa Valley (definitely wouldn't consider this area a burb) is pretty cosmopolitan in its own right. I realize the Hamptons aren't NY suburbs, but would you consider that area cosmopolitan? (or is just filthy rich? I'm not sure on that one....).
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Old 03-04-2008, 11:31 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My brother-in-law used to live in Concord, CA and work in SF. Very suburban, IMO. I think "cosmopolitan" is in the eye of the beholder to a certain extent.
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