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Old 02-23-2017, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Well I am conservative. Buy my mom came to this country as an immigrant and always told me to not talk about politics, and religions with people haha. But it was more a reference of my experience of alot of people being surprised and even intimidated it seems when they meet a black man who isn't some stereotype.The behavior, the "real black man" comments, it's all started to take a toll out here.

Even so I find alot of blacks are socially conservative so we tend to get along. In my experience though we're looking at 220,00 individuals roughly, when you factor in things like age, marital status, personalities, gender, and background, and other things that list begins to shrink up pretty fast.

That being said growing up in a "whiter" environment I have always seemed to pick out the sisters on a handful of occasions, my frustration out here is that I don't actually see that many black women.

I shouldn't have shot down your idea about the black communities that was honestly good advice.

I have considered Detroit for alot of reasons, maybe if I go ill send you pics and requote my convos to show you that I don't have a white woman fetish, but somehow I doubt you would believe me still.
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Old 02-23-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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Well I am conservative. Buy my mom came to this country as an immigrant and always told me to not talk about politics, and religions with people haha. But it was more a reference of my experience of alot of people being surprised and even intimidated it seems when they meet a black man who isn't some stereotype.The behavior, the "real black man" comments, it's all started to take a toll out here.

Even so I find alot of blacks are socially conservative so we tend to get along. In my experience though we're looking at 220,00 individuals roughly, when you factor in things like age, marital status, personalities, gender, and background, and other things that list begins to shrink up pretty fast.

That being said growing up in a "whiter" environment I have always seemed to pick out the sisters on a handful of occasions, my frustration out here is that I don't actually see that many black women.

I shouldn't have shot down your idea about the black communities that was honestly good advice.

I have considered Detroit for alot of reasons, maybe if I go ill send you pics and requote my convos to show you that I don't have a white woman fetish, but somehow I doubt you would believe me still.
You are absolutely correct. Most blacks are socially conservative.....they are just not politically conservative for one main reason....and that is because the republican party, home of conservatives, is seen as the party for those who are anti-black.

Anyway, yes, I would recommend Detroit....primarily because you are an engineer (mechanical would be a perfect fit for you there) and the auto industry is booming. Secondly, most people don't know all the positive things going on in and around Detroit and new investments and building. It's certainly will be culture shock for you, in more ways than one, to go from Seattle to Detroit. Detroit fell HARD...and it shows and while residents who have lived there for a while can clearly see how things are turning around, to someone coming from an area like Seattle, you might cannot tell...especially if you go into the neighborhoods of the city, which I am sure nothing of the sort exists in Seattle that can compare.

Interracial relationships is not a negative thing. What is negative, to me, is when a person of one race kind of rejects their race in favor of another race, thinking that somehow dating people of a different race is "better" than dating someone from your own. I know of plenty brothers here in MSP who only go out looking for white women. They don't even speak to the sisters. I have also met white girls who only seem to want to date black guys. To me, in the course of living your life and you run across a person of a different race, fall in love, get married, have kids....that's the way it should be. It should not be that you look down on your race....so you go looking for a mate from another race. That is not how it should be. Me, based upon the work I do, I am around mostly white people, in a metro area that is 90% white. Thus, I had to make an effort to find black women....at least to give them an equal chance.....otherwise, like you, most of the women I date would be in the circles of my normal day...which would mean white women.
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Old 02-23-2017, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX and wherever planes fly
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To the OP...

The best best as someone else mentioned in a above post is likely going to be a growing Sunbelt City probably with a lot of people from a lot of places. And one that is separated moreso on economics versus anything else. I think the mentioned Denver and California and from Phoenix to Raleigh. Detroit, Philly also and Chicago.

I agree... Phoenix, and east Dallas and Houston have huge black middle classes, and middle eastern, asian, as well as other ethnicities and plenty of engineering gigs. I'm in environmental engineering myself in Dallas. (Not New Orleans, only because economical and job wise there is a lot to be desired) Austin, Raleigh, Charlotte, Atlanta. DC is also a clear winner but the cost of living is a force to be reckoned with. Then again Seattle is expensive as is the whole west coast so it could be the best bet of all. As long as you can deal with the occasional snowstorm.

Good women are everyone in every culture. A good guy will find a good girl in time. Good luck!
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Old 02-23-2017, 11:58 PM
 
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You are absolutely correct. Most blacks are socially conservative.....they are just not politically conservative for one main reason....and that is because the republican party, home of conservatives, is seen as the party for those who are anti-black.

Anyway, yes, I would recommend Detroit....primarily because you are an engineer (mechanical would be a perfect fit for you there) and the auto industry is booming. Secondly, most people don't know all the positive things going on in and around Detroit and new investments and building. It's certainly will be culture shock for you, in more ways than one, to go from Seattle to Detroit. Detroit fell HARD...and it shows and while residents who have lived there for a while can clearly see how things are turning around, to someone coming from an area like Seattle, you might cannot tell...especially if you go into the neighborhoods of the city, which I am sure nothing of the sort exists in Seattle that can compare.

Interracial relationships is not a negative thing. What is negative, to me, is when a person of one race kind of rejects their race in favor of another race, thinking that somehow dating people of a different race is "better" than dating someone from your own. I know of plenty brothers here in MSP who only go out looking for white women. They don't even speak to the sisters. I have also met white girls who only seem to want to date black guys. To me, in the course of living your life and you run across a person of a different race, fall in love, get married, have kids....that's the way it should be. It should not be that you look down on your race....so you go looking for a mate from another race. That is not how it should be. Me, based upon the work I do, I am around mostly white people, in a metro area that is 90% white. Thus, I had to make an effort to find black women....at least to give them an equal chance.....otherwise, like you, most of the women I date would be in the circles of my normal day...which would mean white women.
And you are right alot of the members of the conservative party do seem anti black. It's made me question my political leanings. I do think that the conservative party has alot to offer blacks once it shed s some of its backwoods mentalities.

I do find that pretty disgusting. When I was in college some of my fellow black men told me they wouldn't even consider a black girl. It blew my mind. They sounded pretty close minded to people in their own race, which was surprising I grew up in a decently wealthy and white neighborhood as my stepdad is white and I still didn't have those kind of sentiments towards black women.

And lastly I think one thing people forget is that with these cities that have lost alot of their population and are making a comebacks that there is tons of opportunity to be had for a low cost of living. Which is why I do think Detroit would be an awesome fit. Thanks for the info man. This is some really good stuff.
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Old 02-24-2017, 12:09 AM
 
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Hi I am in many ways a very unstereotypical black man with a bachelor's degree and I was honestly wondering where a black man like me would fit in best in the United States. Currently living in Washington state and to be honest I am planning on getting out as fast as I can. It seems like in the northwest as soon as you get outside of Seattle or Portland you are in redneck territory. On top of that I don't think these "progressives" are as open minded as one would think and they seem to have very seriously in stone ways of thinking about black men. An educated brother who isn't on the government plantation and is ambitious seems to boggle their mind.

I'm seems like there are enough black men out here that choose a life that is glamorized by the media that in addition to being a ridiculously small percentage of blacks out here that I am fighting a losing battle for the most part.

As far as dating I don't know if I would describe it racism but I have been told I am very good looking plenty of times, but time and time again it seems a woman out here would rather be with a broke, socially awkward white man before even considering being with a brother. I mean there are the overweight fat white women with kids that are always looking and forward at that but that's never been my cup of tea. Seems like most of the good looking black women would rather date a white man out here too.

I'm not trying to come off racist and I have been raised in private schools and a predominately white environment my entire life so it feels a little weird even asking this. My logic is simple, If so many women state "no black men" on their profiles, even in real life they say that they " just don't find them attractive". And this being the majority of good looking white women out here which again is the majority, am I better off looking somewhere else? I'm not saying it's all women out here because some attractive women do approach me and I have had girlfriends out here but it does seem like I am fighting some culturralt forces out here and I have to put in like 5X the effort than I would if I lived in a more suited area.

If so where could this be? I've considered the Cleveland Pittsburgh area but I would love any suggestions if anyone had the time. I don't really care about crime. Lived in or around rougher areas my entire life just don't want to live in a somalia
You mention race of skin color in your post about 20 times. Just sayin, you might be guilty of the same thing you accuse others of doing.
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Old 02-24-2017, 03:18 AM
 
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And you are right alot of the members of the conservative party do seem anti black. It's made me question my political leanings. I do think that the conservative party has alot to offer blacks once it shed s some of its backwoods mentalities.

I do find that pretty disgusting. When I was in college some of my fellow black men told me they wouldn't even consider a black girl. It blew my mind. They sounded pretty close minded to people in their own race, which was surprising I grew up in a decently wealthy and white neighborhood as my stepdad is white and I still didn't have those kind of sentiments towards black women.

And lastly I think one thing people forget is that with these cities that have lost alot of their population and are making a comebacks that there is tons of opportunity to be had for a low cost of living. Which is why I do think Detroit would be an awesome fit. Thanks for the info man. This is some really good stuff.
Detroit, as a percentage of the population, has too many of the kind of the black folks that you are trying to escape from/avoid. We specialize in that behavior. Based on relatively low cost of living and concentration of sophisticated black folk, I suggest Chicago, Atlanta, and Charlotte.
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Old 02-24-2017, 06:37 AM
 
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Detroit, as a percentage of the population, has too many of the kind of the black folks that you are trying to escape from/avoid. We specialize in that behavior. Based on relatively low cost of living and concentration of sophisticated black folk, I suggest Chicago, Atlanta, and Charlotte.
I am not sure what type of black person you think he is running from, but he is not contemplating moving from Seattle because he is fleeing a certain type of black folk there.....but rather, he is looking for a place with more black folks. I mean, if you cannot find what you are looking for or your niche in a metro with 1 million black folks, again, its time for some introspection. Atlanta and Charlotte are just the "Trend" and if he simply wants to follow trends.....yeah.....then move to those places. However, its the person who is ahead of the curve that profits most.....not those who get in on trends that have been long established.

As an Engineer.....why would those other places be better? He was already looking at Cleveland and Pittsburgh.....and I am sure he has heard of Chicago, Atlanta and Charlotte, but he did not mention those places for a reason I suppose. There is much greater potential for reward in Detroit than those other places, but the risk are also greater.
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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You mention race of skin color in your post about 20 times. Just sayin, you might be guilty of the same thing you accuse others of doing.
To be honest, I don't know if the thread is about what it is about on a personal level or in general.

Also, Seattle I believe is one of the handful of areas where there are more Black males than Black females, which is likely due to the military presence in the area.

Another thing is that if the OP is looking into areas like Cleveland and Pittsburgh, sleepers in terms of Black educational attainment are Lansing MI and Rochester NY. While smaller areas, both have Black educational attainment rates just above the national Black educational attainment percentage(I believe 19% of those 25 and older with at least a Bachelor's degree). I know that Rochester has something like this: Rochester Black Young Professionals

Seattle may also have a similar group, as do many other areas.

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Old 02-24-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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You mention race of skin color in your post about 20 times. Just sayin, you might be guilty of the same thing you accuse others of doing.
A good amount of the women out here constantly remind me that I am black. White, black, Asian whatever it doesn't seem to matter. When have of my dating pool or more constantly says that they aren't into blacks well than yeah I do have to pay attention to race and skin color.
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Old 02-24-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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And this thread was basically for the purpose of dispelling the myth that the PNW is some koombayah circle and everyone is holding hands. It's consistently touted as this race blind paradise. I wanted to give some of my personal experiences as well as point to some other threads of black males in Washington and surrounding areas.

Everyone who thinks I'm fixated on race, I would be saying the same thing if I was in a majority black city and the majority of black women explicitly said no black men either online or in person just saying
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