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Old 03-17-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Monument,CO
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Pilly is overshadowed by NYC, but nonetheless NO ONE considers it a secondary city.
No, we consider it a third rate city. Seriously, Philadelphia? That's a 3 hour town, and you never have to go back.
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Old 03-17-2017, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Here in South Florida, there is a-lot. For example, Miami may be the largest city, but Hialeah (also in Miami-Dade County) is the second largest city (with over 250,000 people), but of a lot less importance, than say Fort Lauderdale (165,000), Miami Beach, Aventura, Palm Beach, etc. There are obvious reasons (beach access and tourist center), but other issues at play as well. In Broward alone, Pembroke Pines is the second largest city after Fort Lauderdale, but more people know Hallandale, Hollywood, Pompano, etc.
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:35 AM
 
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This!

I'm seeing posters say places like Minneapolis/St Paul, Dallas/Ft Worth, but Baltimore isn't in a situation like those cities. Baltimore is the primary city in its own Metro, it's just that DC is only 40 miles away, and the suburbs of both cities collide.
Fort Worth alone is a major city, although it's success may have a lot to do with its proximity to Dallas. It isn't a match for Baltimore, but Fort Worth is the third largest metro in the state, only behind Houston and Dallas, and ahead of Orlando and Pittsburgh. It was only a couple of decades ago that Fort Worth was its own metropolitan area.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:20 AM
 
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Here in South Florida, there is a-lot. For example, Miami may be the largest city, but Hialeah (also in Miami-Dade County) is the second largest city (with over 250,000 people), but of a lot less importance, than say Fort Lauderdale (165,000), Miami Beach, Aventura, Palm Beach, etc. There are obvious reasons (beach access and tourist center), but other issues at play as well. In Broward alone, Pembroke Pines is the second largest city after Fort Lauderdale, but more people know Hallandale, Hollywood, Pompano, etc.
I don't know about this one. I'm not sure of the history but I never knew Hialeah, pompano, Boca Raton, etc. to be of any major city significance. By all means, those cities function as a suburb or like a neighborhood of Miami etc. that exists simply because the official borders aren't as big. I think the best examples according to the theme of the thread is Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach. They are mid-major cities that happen to get lumped in with Miami due to proximity, however they are distinct from Miami and each other. Really they almost serve as the capital/main city for each of their massive counties.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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Is Durham falling into this realm now? The triangle is know as the Raleigh-Durham area but I feel that Raleigh is getting more recognition nationally. Currently they are dual metros in one CSA but I wouldn't be shocked if it becomes one MSA that revolves around Raleigh (similar to Dallas-Fort Worth and Minneapolis-St.Paul).
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Kentucky
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On a smaller scale would Spartanburg, SC be another example. It is its own MSA but is part of a much larger CSA with the leading city being Greenville, SC.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: The City
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No, we consider it a third rate city. Seriously, Philadelphia? That's a 3 hour town, and you never have to go back.


well at least it gets the 3 hours, some cities are purely an airport that get you to ski resorts sort of close by
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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Is Durham falling into this realm now? The triangle is know as the Raleigh-Durham area but I feel that Raleigh is getting more recognition nationally. Currently they are dual metros in one CSA but I wouldn't be shocked if it becomes one MSA that revolves around Raleigh (similar to Dallas-Fort Worth and Minneapolis-St.Paul).
It used to be a single MSA but in the weirdest move ever by the OMB they split Raleigh and Durham into two separate MSAs back in 2015, despite the fact they city limits adjoin one another in some areas and they share commerce and workforce populations. Raleigh has always had top billing as state capital and larger of the two in terms of population, however Durham is arguably the more dominant in terms of commerce with Research Triangle Park, Duke University and the University of North Carolina (in neighboring Chapel Hill) present there.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:31 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Here in South Florida, there is a-lot. For example, Miami may be the largest city, but Hialeah (also in Miami-Dade County) is the second largest city (with over 250,000 people), but of a lot less importance, than say Fort Lauderdale (165,000), Miami Beach, Aventura, Palm Beach, etc. There are obvious reasons (beach access and tourist center), but other issues at play as well. In Broward alone, Pembroke Pines is the second largest city after Fort Lauderdale, but more people know Hallandale, Hollywood, Pompano, etc.
South Florida is a massive collection of small (land) footprint municipalities that all run into each other. Though I haven't ever studied it in detail, I'd be surprised if there were any municipalities that have over 40 square miles between MiamiDade and Broward Counties' ~4.6+ million people. Most of the individual land areas among them are probably in the teens.

That said, I do think that Ft. Lauderdale could stand on its own but it would probably be even more of a touristy oriented metro if it weren't connected to MiamiDade's LATAM business culture.
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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well at least it gets the 3 hours, some cities are purely an airport that get you to ski resorts sort of close by
LOL-right! And I'm sure you had to look it up to even know where/what that town is.
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