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View Poll Results: Which cities pull above their weight in "apparent density" not "actual density"
Las Vegas 6 12.50%
New Orleans 22 45.83%
Orlando 1 2.08%
San Francisco 19 39.58%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-20-2017, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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There are some cities that when you are in the downtown, you feel like you are in a really big city when in fact you are not. An example is New Orleans. The streets of the French Quarter and CBD are filled with people and even though there is <400,000 people in New Orleans, it doesn't fell like 1/3 the size of Austin where I live (1.2 million people in the city). Part of that may be that the density is there, but I think a lot is that there are just a lot of tourists. There are around 28,000 hotel rooms in downtown New Orleans but only around 8,000 in downtown Austin. Considering that tourists are out and about more than residents (for the most part) it adds to the feeling that the city is "crowded".

Other examples are SF, Las Vegas, & Orlando. NYC feels crowded but you "expect" it. Same with Chicago and LA.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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If I am understanding the question, which cities seem dense but are really not. In this case, it is Vegas. A lot of visitors do not understand that the Strip is just a small part of Las Vegas. The city expands in almost every direction and is not dense at all outside of the Strip. Same with Orlando. San Francisco should not get any votes here. It is one of the densest cities in the country.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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If I am understanding the question, which cities seem dense but are really not. In this case, it is Vegas. A lot of visitors do not understand that the Strip is just a small part of Las Vegas. The city expands in almost every direction and is not dense at all outside of the Strip. Same with Orlando. San Francisco should not get any votes here. It is one of the densest cities in the country.
I took the exact opposite from the question. Because of San Francisco's density, it seems like the city should be a lot more then 600K people.

I don't think Las Vegas or Orlando should get any votes, the dense parts of those cities are not in the cities proper. The strip is in Paradise and dense parts of Orlando are in Kissimmee.

So that leaves New Orleans vs San Francisco. New Orleans is dense and has a lot of people traffic, but SF looks like a mega city downtown comparable to NYC.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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Perhaps the OP can clarify the question?
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Perhaps the OP can clarify the question?
Okay I will clarify. I included San Francisco which was the city in question because when you are walking around the city, it feels like it is as dense as NYC (and as lively). It doesn't feel like only 800,000 people live in there. It feels like 4 million live there.

When you walk around Vegas, mainly the strip area, it feels like a very densely populated city even though it is a small portion of the city and the rest of the city is not densely populated.

When you walk around New Orleans, it feels like there are many more people than the 385,000 people in there. Also, New Orleans has a very low density because the city includes swampland in the city limits so the actual density is much greater. I don't think there is any other city with such a large amount of protected land in the city limits that will never be developed. The reason why is Orleans Parish and the city of New Orleans are the same but the eastern part of Orleans parish is part of a Bayou Savage National Wildlife Refuge which is a federal protected area. If you exclude that whole area then New Orleans would rank among the more denser cities in the country.

Hope this explains it more.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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City populations are silly for this purpose, as everyone knows. I would think that metro population is much better to go with for this thread.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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City populations are silly for this purpose, as everyone knows. I would think that metro population is much better to go with for this thread.
But this still stands for metro populations. New Orleans only has 1.2 million metro population but it feels like it has more than that. Same with Vegas and Orlando.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Okay I will clarify. I included San Francisco which was the city in question because when you are walking around the city, it feels like it is as dense as NYC (and as lively). It doesn't feel like only 800,000 people live in there. It feels like 4 million live there.

When you walk around Vegas, mainly the strip area, it feels like a very densely populated city even though it is a small portion of the city and the rest of the city is not densely populated.

When you walk around New Orleans, it feels like there are many more people than the 385,000 people in there. Also, New Orleans has a very low density because the city includes swampland in the city limits so the actual density is much greater. I don't think there is any other city with such a large amount of protected land in the city limits that will never be developed. The reason why is Orleans Parish and the city of New Orleans are the same but the eastern part of Orleans parish is part of a Bayou Savage National Wildlife Refuge which is a federal protected area. If you exclude that whole area then New Orleans would rank among the more denser cities in the country.

Hope this explains it more.
I cannot understand why you would use city population in this comparison. The southshore of the New Orleans MSA (New Orleans and neighboring Jefferson Parish) have about 900,000 people.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I cannot understand why you would use city population in this comparison. The southshore of the New Orleans MSA (New Orleans and neighboring Jefferson Parish) have about 900,000 people.
I did because the downtowns of cities are where the people are. There aren't many tourists or even people walking around in Metairie now are there?
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:32 PM
 
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Okay I will clarify. I included San Francisco which was the city in question because when you are walking around the city, it feels like it is as dense as NYC (and as lively). It doesn't feel like only 800,000 people live in there. It feels like 4 million live there.

When you walk around Vegas, mainly the strip area, it feels like a very densely populated city even though it is a small portion of the city and the rest of the city is not densely populated.

When you walk around New Orleans, it feels like there are many more people than the 385,000 people in there. Also, New Orleans has a very low density because the city includes swampland in the city limits so the actual density is much greater. I don't think there is any other city with such a large amount of protected land in the city limits that will never be developed. The reason why is Orleans Parish and the city of New Orleans are the same but the eastern part of Orleans parish is part of a Bayou Savage National Wildlife Refuge which is a federal protected area. If you exclude that whole area then New Orleans would rank among the more denser cities in the country.

Hope this explains it more.
OK, thanks. But that doesn't change my answer. It is Las Vegas. On the Strip, and to some degree downtown, it seems like millions live here. But in truth it is a smallish, but growing, metro. I believe it has around just under 600,000 in the city, and about 2.1 million in the MSA. Both figures are higher than New Orleans, but we are comparing apples and oranges.

As for San Francisco, it should be noted that it is an unusually small land area city, thus limiting the total population to some extent. San Francisco has a large population in relation to its land area. Seattle is similar, but has more land area than SF, though still smallish.
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