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Old 04-03-2017, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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Miami, New Orleans, Richmond, Norfolk, Louisville

DC and Baltimore if you want to add those also.
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Old 04-03-2017, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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In addition to the others mentions - Richmond, VA
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:02 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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There isn't a large city in the South that matches Miami's population density. Miami proper is just under 36 square miles, houses nearly 450,000, and is over 12,000 ppl/m2. Even many of its edge cities and suburbs are dense. Miami Beach is just as densely populated at Miami proper and suburban Hialeah is over 10,000 ppl/m2. Even Coral Gables with its mansions and tree lined streets is nearly 4,000 ppl/m2 and more densely populated than many large central cities in the Southeast. By total urban area density, no other area in the South ranks higher than Miami.
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA, from Boston
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Richmond and Nola and Charleston. I'd be hesitant to include Miami in there - it has really only one or 2 "urban" neighborhoods by my definition. South Beach, which is part of a different city, and the bit around North Brickell, south downtown maybe now.

I lived in Miami for 11 years. My mother still lives there. Its mostly like a sprawlier version of Atlanta. I don't know why people think its urban, honestly.

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Old 04-03-2017, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA, from Boston
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There isn't a large city in the South that matches Miami's population density. Miami proper is just under 36 square miles, houses nearly 450,000, and is over 12,000 ppl/m2. Even many of its edge cities and suburbs are dense. Miami Beach is just as densely populated at Miami proper and suburban Hialeah is over 10,000 ppl/m2. Even Coral Gables with its mansions and tree lined streets is nearly 4,000 ppl/m2 and more densely populated than many large central cities in the Southeast. By total urban area density, no other area in the South ranks higher than Miami.
Goes to show how those numbers can be misleading I guess. Only South Miami beach is urban by my definition. And yes, I'm intimately familiar with all of those, even Hialeah. (I guess I'd grant Gables as being urban within one block of miracle mile, but that's verging on the silly)
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Old 04-03-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Richmond and Nola and Charleston. I'd be hesitant to include Miami in there - it has really only one or 2 "urban" neighborhoods by my definition. South Beach, which is part of a different city, and the bit around North Brickell, south downtown maybe now.

I lived in Miami for 11 years. My mother still lives there. Its mostly like a sprawlier version of Atlanta. I don't know why people think its urban, honestly.
This thread is named "Densest big city in the South".

Density is an objective measurement of people per area.

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:14 AM
 
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Richmond and Nola and Charleston. I'd be hesitant to include Miami in there - it has really only one or 2 "urban" neighborhoods by my definition. South Beach, which is part of a different city, and the bit around North Brickell, south downtown maybe now.

I lived in Miami for 11 years. My mother still lives there. Its mostly like a sprawlier version of Atlanta. I don't know why people think its urban, honestly.
The title of this thread is DENSEST big city in the South, not most urban. The two are often correlated but they are not the same thing.

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Richmond and Nola and Charleston. I'd be hesitant to include Miami in there - it has really only one or 2 "urban" neighborhoods by my definition. South Beach, which is part of a different city, and the bit around North Brickell, south downtown maybe now.

I lived in Miami for 11 years. My mother still lives there. Its mostly like a sprawlier version of Atlanta. I don't know why people think its urban, honestly.
It's "mostly a sprawlier version of Atlanta"? Are you kidding me?

I know it's a very popular tactic here on C-D to dismiss newer cities and tout older cities as the ONLY version of urban and density that is valid. So, frankly, reading this doesn't surprise me in the least. This way, we can ignore data and just go with opinion and feelings.

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Old 04-03-2017, 08:32 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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The title of this thread is DENSEST big city in the South, not most urban. The two are often correlated but they are not the same thing.
Yes. They are often correlated but not always. That said, the dismissing of Miami by some is laughable. While South Beach is too much in the Global public consciousness to be ignored and downtown and Brickell are too large to sweep under the rug, there are many other urban neighborhoods and walkable communities throughout the Miami area. Little Havana, Wynwood/Midtown, North Miami, Surfside, Edgewater and others all have highly walkable communities.
Miami overall has the 5th highest Walkscore of major US cities behind NYC, SF, Boston and Philadelphia (actually tied with Philly). Does Miami's density and "urbanity" look like old industrial cities in the US? No. Does that make it any less relevant? No.
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