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Old 07-19-2017, 07:20 AM
 
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Unlike some places in the US, high schools in New England exist primarily for academic purposes.
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Old 07-19-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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Unlike some places in the US, high schools in New England exist primarily for academic purposes.
Here are a couple of lists that are interesting. Good for New England, but looks like a lot of other states do as well, or even better.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nal_attainment

https://www.usnews.com/high-schools/...rates?slide=11
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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Unlike some places in the US, high schools in New England exist primarily for academic purposes.
Yes, but even New England has its select schools where they take the sport seriously like Everett and Brockton, among some others in MA(Fitchburg, some of the Boston Catholics, Mansfield, etc).

In NY, it is similar and in my area, Christian Brothers Academy, Onondaga Central, Whitesboro, Dolgeville and Cazenovia are some that come to mind. Some say that the big school league(Section 3 Class AA) is arguably one of the best and most consistent league in the state, but that league also has some of the best HS's in Upstate NY, if not the whole state as well. So, you can have both good academics and athletic programs.

For an area and state not really known for its HS Football, some may find this list to be pretty solid: CNY's 50 all-time greatest high school football players, in order | syracuse.com
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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Yep, there is a weak football culture and the heavy "Hispanic" populace is the reason for several reasons. When's the last time a RGV/deep South Texas team won a state title? Can't recall one. San Antone and Austin is represented well along with West Texas teams.
Yeah. I remember when Corpus Christi Calallen kept getting deep in the playoffs year after year. Only to lose to Denison. In fact, they reached the state title this year only to lose to Aledo. West Texas is pretty much repped by only the little Southwest conference. The rest of West Texas (El Paso, Lubbock, Amarillo) has been as bad as RGV and South Texas.

Got to say it but the same is true in Miami. Most of the heavily Hispanic schools start off well but when they run into Northwestern, Carol City, Norland, Central, Jackson, and even the Broward schools, they get stomped.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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Unlike some places in the US, high schools in New England exist primarily for academic purposes.
Well that's pretty arrogant but ok.
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Old 07-19-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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Unlike some places in the US, high schools in New England exist primarily for academic purposes.
New England performs well in a lot of regards, but it's certainly not a uniform education utopia that it's often made out to be (particularly in many larger city/town or super rural districts).

It's also not the "either-or" situation that you're implying. Many schools are both academically strong and have robust sports/extracurricular programs.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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Western Pennsylvania is still quite strong when it comes to high school football. Aliquippa is essentially the Belle Glade of Pennsylvania, and Pittsburgh Central Catholic is consistently ranked on national high school football polls. Other notable high school football programs in western Pennsylvania include, but are not limited to, Beaver Falls, Bethel Park, Cathedral Prep, Clairton, Franklin Regional, Gateway, Jeannette, McKeesport Area, Mt. Lebanon, New Castle, North Allegheny, North Hills, Penn Hills, Pine-Richland, Seton-LaSalle, South Fayette, Steel Valley, Upper St. Clair, West Allegheny and Woodland Hills.

I don't know as much about eastern Pennsylvania, but I know that St. Joseph's Prep is a powerhouse that, like Pittsburgh Central Catholic, is nationally ranked on a consistent basis. In fact, the two schools both faced off against each other for the PIAA Class 6A Football Championship in 2016 (St. Joseph's Prep won). Other notable high school football programs in eastern Pennsylvania include, but are not limited to, Central Bucks West, Central Dauphin, Coatesville, Cumberland Valley, Downingtown, LaSalle, Liberty, Neshaminy and Parkland.
In Eastern/Central PA, there's also Steelton-Highspire, Harrisburg's Bishop McDevitt(LeSean McCoy, Ricky Watters, etc.), Bethlehem Catholic, Philly's Imhotep Charter, Scranton Prep and Harrisburg, are some others.
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Old 07-19-2017, 02:13 PM
 
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Yes, but even New England has its select schools where they take the sport seriously like Everett and Brockton, among some others in MA(Fitchburg, some of the Boston Catholics, Mansfield, etc).

In NY, it is similar and in my area, Christian Brothers Academy, Onondaga Central, Whitesboro, Dolgeville and Cazenovia are some that come to mind. Some say that the big school league(Section 3 Class AA) is arguably one of the best and most consistent league in the state, but that league also has some of the best HS's in Upstate NY, if not the whole state as well. So, you can have both good academics and athletic programs.

For an area and state not really known for its HS Football, some may find this list to be pretty solid: CNY's 50 all-time greatest high school football players, in order | syracuse.com
In terms of radio and TV, Upstate NY is pretty in that regard. It isn't uncommon for small towns to have a local radio station that covers teams from that town or county and in the bigger areas, you get a Game of the Week every Thursday and/or Friday night during the season.
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Old 07-19-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Yeah. I remember when Corpus Christi Calallen kept getting deep in the playoffs year after year. Only to lose to Denison. In fact, they reached the state title this year only to lose to Aledo. West Texas is pretty much repped by only the little Southwest conference. The rest of West Texas (El Paso, Lubbock, Amarillo) has been as bad as RGV and South Texas.

Got to say it but the same is true in Miami. Most of the heavily Hispanic schools start off well but when they run into Northwestern, Carol City, Norland, Central, Jackson, and even the Broward schools, they get stomped.
I'm not so sure the reason is lack of football culture as much as it is lack of funding. I grew up in the RGV back in the 90's and Friday Night Lights type atmosphere was definitely alive and well. Yes, I get the soccer thing now, but back in the day it was mainly Tejanos and not the masses of newer immigrants that exist now. High School Football games were the beginning of the weekend. It was tradition. Also, the football team members were almost gods in the eyes of the principals and local leaders. I'm sure just as many stories were written about local football stars in newspapers in McAllen and Mission as were written in newspapers in Midland and Odessa. In my experience it wasn't so much a lack of football culture that kept these regions from getting championships as much as it was that these areas simply could not compete with the amount of money these other districts could invest in their programs.
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Old 07-19-2017, 05:11 PM
 
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Unlike some places in the US, high schools in New England exist primarily for academic purposes.
And then there's well-rounded states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, where high schools have strong football cultures and graduation rates above the national average.
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