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Technically, Maryland is within the South (below the Mason-Dixon).. but I think compelling arguments can be made for both partisan positions on Maryland (ie- it is a culturally Northern state vs. culturally Southern state). That's typical of Border States, they share characteristics of both.
It's inaccurate (& usually biased), to reduce Border States to solely one cultural side or the other.
Thought I'm not a fan of the Confederate statues, I will admit that you're correct. Where are the Confederate memorials in the Northeast?
I believe that I can understand a lot of what KodeBlue is saying. Let us use Richmond as an example. People on this forum view Richmond as undoubtedly southern in the same way that they view Baltimore as undoubtedly Northern. I would bet that a lot of posters on this forum do not even realize how many similarities Richmond and Baltimore share.
Baltimore:
White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
29.6%
Black or African American alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
63.7%
Hispanic or Latino, percent, April 1, 2010 (b)
4.2%
Foreign born persons, percent, 2011-2015
7.7%
Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015
$42,241
Religious Organizations
29.9 per 10k
Gender
Male 47.1%, Female 52.9%
Median home construction year: 1943
Richmond:
White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
40.8%
Black or African American alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
50.6%
Hispanic or Latino, percent, April 1, 2010 (b)
6.3%
Foreign born persons, percent, 2011-2015
6.8%
Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015
$40,758
Religious Organizations
28.0 per 10k
Gender
Male 47.6%, Female 52.4%
Median home construction year: 1955
Both cities also share confederate monuments as well as Edgar Allen Poe and an industrial past. Now for a little anecdotal evidence... If you have spent real time with older people from either city you can get a feel for the similarities in both culture and accent. I have family in both cities and aside from my Baltimore family viewing Richmond as tiny, there is undoubtedly a feeling of similarity that is hard to explain. There are even housing similarities once you get outside of the mass produced row home areas in Baltimore. I think that because of the prevalence of Row homes that Baltimore gets linked in with Philly but again, if you have spent a lot of time in these areas then you know that Baltimore and Philly 'feel' nothing alike culturally. I think that the real question is how can two cities 3 hours away from each other really be undoubtedly polar opposites? If Richmond is unquestionably the south, then it shouldn't be so difficult to even consider some of Baltimore's southern traits.
I've always heard that Richmond is a mostly southern liberal city in a majority southern state. Same as Louisville. I've never heard of it being undoubtedly southern like Jackson, Mississippi.
I've always heard that Richmond is a mostly southern liberal city in a majority southern state. Same as Louisville. I've never heard of it being undoubtedly southern like Jackson, Mississippi.
Try to start a thread stating that Richmond is a Mid-Atlantic city. You will be surprised.
I believe that I can understand a lot of what KodeBlue is saying. Let us use Richmond as an example. People on this forum view Richmond as undoubtedly southern in the same way that they view Baltimore as undoubtedly Northern. I would bet that a lot of posters on this forum do not even realize how many similarities Richmond and Baltimore share.
Baltimore:
White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
29.6%
Black or African American alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
63.7%
Hispanic or Latino, percent, April 1, 2010 (b)
4.2%
Foreign born persons, percent, 2011-2015
7.7%
Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015
$42,241
Religious Organizations
29.9 per 10k
Gender
Male 47.1%, Female 52.9%
Median home construction year: 1943
Richmond:
White alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
40.8%
Black or African American alone, percent, April 1, 2010 (a)
50.6%
Hispanic or Latino, percent, April 1, 2010 (b)
6.3%
Foreign born persons, percent, 2011-2015
6.8%
Median household income (in 2015 dollars), 2011-2015
$40,758
Religious Organizations
28.0 per 10k
Gender
Male 47.6%, Female 52.4%
Median home construction year: 1955
Both cities also share confederate monuments as well as Edgar Allen Poe and an industrial past. Now for a little anecdotal evidence... If you have spent real time with older people from either city you can get a feel for the similarities in both culture and accent. I have family in both cities and aside from my Baltimore family viewing Richmond as tiny, there is undoubtedly a feeling of similarity that is hard to explain. There are even housing similarities once you get outside of the mass produced row home areas in Baltimore. I think that because of the prevalence of Row homes that Baltimore gets linked in with Philly but again, if you have spent a lot of time in these areas then you know that Baltimore and Philly 'feel' nothing alike culturally. I think that the real question is how can two cities 3 hours away from each other really be undoubtedly polar opposites? If Richmond is unquestionably the south, then it shouldn't be so difficult to even consider some of Baltimore's southern traits.
To be fair, aside from being southern cities, and having rowhouses, Richmond and Baltimore aren't that similar either. The accents aren't the same, the culture of both cities are different. Baltimore is truly a unique place. The message that I've been advocating is that Southern cities do night have to be similar at all to be southern. The differences go to show how diverse a region that the south is.
Kode, yeah.. I think that's a relevant point.
When some people think 'South', they instantly (& only) think Deep South.
Eastern Maryland, (which I personally consider the most Southern part of the state), is upper/Old South.. Aligned more with the culture of Eastern Virginia/Tidewater. It's different than Alabama, etc. But it's South, not a Northeastern Yankee culture. peace
Kode, yeah.. I think that's a relevant point.
When some people think 'South', they instantly (& only) think Deep South.
Eastern Maryland, (which I personally consider the most Southern part of the state), is upper/Old South.. Aligned more with the culture of Eastern Virginia/Tidewater. It's different than Alabama, etc. But it's South, not a Northeastern Yankee culture. peace
I agree with both points. I do think that people paint with a broad brush when discussing the south as a whole. A lot of stereotypes.
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MD and DE are north and east of Dixie.
