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Old 03-09-2008, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Oh a good Baloney sandwich never hurt a body every once in a while! And i wouldn't expect to see the Confederate flag too much in Colorado...i think that should be obvious why not lol. Coming originally from Arkansas, i can say to all those from states that are not in the south that are wanna be hicks and have the confederate flag everywhere, you are confused! You aren't from the south friends! ;D;D;D
I agree. I see Confederate flags from time to time here in IL too, but they dont have to be from the south to fly a Confederate flag... they just support the Confederacy and believe in its long-dead ideals.
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Old 03-09-2008, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Originally Fayetteville, Arkansas/ now Seattle, Washington!
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See thats the difference lol, in the South many fly it simply to represent they are proud of being from the south or as a symbol of their ancestors and simply honoring that, not that they neccessarily agree with the morals of old. Now if i saw it outside of the south, i would have to question their motives lol. Like when i see people here with them on their trucks, i know they are just wanna be hicks! Why they would wanna be lol i have no clue. But for some actually from the south its just pride in their area or a tribute to their ancestors! Not neccessarily anything bad at all.
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Old 03-09-2008, 11:41 AM
 
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On the Confederate Flag thing...I guess my screen moniker will be a tip off as to where I stand! LOL

BUT...I just want to say that this is something, perhaps more than any other issue, which divides in a way that -- either lamentably or understandably -- that is a true chasm. From Virginia to Texas, Southerners UNDERSTAND each other on it. We find it hard to believe that there are people in other parts of the country who reflexively attribute it to hostile sentiments. To us, it is a symbol of regional pride and heritage.

But yet? Maybe if I had grown up in the midwest or northeast, I might feel the same way...

I think most of us Southerners only want a little understanding in turn on the issue...*smiles*
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Originally Fayetteville, Arkansas/ now Seattle, Washington!
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I agree...born and raised in Arkansas, i never saw any problem with it. My dad flies the confederate flag on certain days in honor of family memebers who have fallen in war.
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:49 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Not trying to start anything.. I want to understand.. because I am one of those you describe.

You say it is flown to pay honor to ancestors, ancestors that believed that it was ok to own another person, and even fought a war over it? What does the flag represent? I see it as a symbol of hate. I think anyone who would want to be know as a rebel is a person who must have feelings or sentiment of those people who would dare fly that flag with pride.

Why do Hate groups like Neo-Nazi's grab that flag so readily if it is not a long symbol of hate?

So I want to understand.. explain it to me..
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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The confederate flag can be a symbol of heritage, of country life, of getting dirty and working hard, country music, good friends, family, things like that.

Southern life is not about honoring slavery. It's about honoring heritage. Some people just can't understand that.
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:12 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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The confederate flag can be a symbol of heritage, of country life, of getting dirty and working hard, country music, good friends, family, things like that.

Southern life is not about honoring slavery. It's about honoring heritage. Some people just can't understand that.
Ok so the flag was not flown over Armies of the Confederacy? It was not used as a symbol for them at all? I was mistaken, I did not know it was about country life, about working hard.. ( I thought you all had slaves to do that ), about country music, ( are we talking Squeal like a pig country music ), good friends, family and all that.

So again why do all these hate groups gravitate to it so readily? I mean its a wholesome symbol, its about family hard work and all that right.. why do they use it? You would think they could find a better flag than that?

What Heritage are we honoring?
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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Not trying to start anything.. I want to understand.. because I am one of those you describe.

You say it is flown to pay honor to ancestors, ancestors that believed that it was ok to own another person, and even fought a war over it? What does the flag represent? I see it as a symbol of hate. I think anyone who would want to be know as a rebel is a person who must have feelings or sentiment of those people who would dare fly that flag with pride.

Why do Hate groups like Neo-Nazi's grab that flag so readily if it is not a long symbol of hate?

So I want to understand.. explain it to me..
Muhnay? Hate groups also use the Christian Cross and American flags as part of their agenda. I can't help what others do...but what I CAN do is refuse to let the noble banner of the South and her heritage and history become their property by surrending it to them by default.

The Nazi philosophy is anethema to what the Confederacy stood for.

You mention slavery? Read this link, will you? Slavery in the North

Neither slavery nor racism is a Southern thing. It has existed for thousands of years and among every people who ever populated the earth.
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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Today it is often used as a symbol for southern life. It was used in war, and the south ws pro-slavery, but that does not mean that it is a racist symbol. It was used in battle for the Confederacy.

But most southerners did not even own slaves. And the war was about cotton originally, not slavery.

Slavery was a part of the south, but the flag is not about racism. It's about family, good food, everything that is the south today. I'm sorry if you don't understand that. It is not about racism. The Chinese had periods when they murdered thousands of their own people, Brits murdered people for being Catholic. But their flags are not offensive.

And your attitude is coming across like you think all southerners are racists, and that all southerners were plantation owners who beat their slaves. Most southerners were simple, hard-working farmers (who worked their own land) and fought to get freedom because the north was getting all of the profit from the products of the south. Those men laid down their lives to protect their families and their farms. They were simple, honest people. Sure they had prejudices ingrained in them, but generally they were good people.

And honestly, grouping all southerners together as racists for being proud of their heritage and honoring their soldiers that died is ridiculous.
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:48 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I don't agree, but thats ok. We dont have too. I just moved back to El Paso TX, from Gulfport Mississippi, I know what thee South is and isn't. I had a school official lean across a board room table and whisper you know this school is mostly filled with black kids right? You may want to try private school.. they don't let them types in there. I had a white cop come to a screeching halt and run up to me in my yard and say what in the heck are you doing here this is a NWORD neighborhood. I replied watering my yard. I had a Security guard at a casino I was working at there tell me that the Latinos working on its re-building were worse than NWORDs. My daily drive home guys in big pickup trucks would scream Wet-Backs go home and toss beer cans at them. So I know full well what goes on in the south. So if I got that impression and its wrong, you all really need to work on your PR.

but really.. I want to understand this flag thing.

An example.. the American flag to me means freedom, honor, sacrifice. It means we will not falter, it means home of the brave, it means pride, devotion, and a coming together as one nation. It means all men/women under her are equal. It also means Justice for all.

But no I dont mean to imply that the whole south is raciest.. thats something you came to on your own. I think the confederacy was racist, but thats just me, and the flag they waved was a symbol of that very racism.

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Today it is often used as a symbol for southern life. It was used in war, and the south ws pro-slavery, but that does not mean that it is a racist symbol. It was used in battle for the Confederacy.

But most southerners did not even own slaves. And the war was about cotton originally, not slavery.

Slavery was a part of the south, but the flag is not about racism. It's about family, good food, everything that is the south today. I'm sorry if you don't understand that. It is not about racism. The Chinese had periods when they murdered thousands of their own people, Brits murdered people for being Catholic. But their flags are not offensive.

And your attitude is coming across like you think all southerners are racists, and that all southerners were plantation owners who beat their slaves. Most southerners were simple, hard-working farmers (who worked their own land) and fought to get freedom because the north was getting all of the profit from the products of the south. Those men laid down their lives to protect their families and their farms. They were simple, honest people. Sure they had prejudices ingrained in them, but generally they were good people.

And honestly, grouping all southerners together as racists for being proud of their heritage and honoring their soldiers that died is ridiculous.
I cant reply to Reb, I was told not too.. so he gets a pass.
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