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Old 05-09-2017, 10:09 AM
 
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Yep.


Chicago has at least two downtowns combined as one. The high rises in River North, Streetville, and Gold Coast make up around half of the greater downtown skyline.


Near North side skyline:


Also a third "downtown" is emerging in the South Loop/Near South Side area. It's currently distinctive enough to appear as its own downtown for the south side of the city.
You're describing a "greater downtown" as opposed to a second downtown.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: ATLANTA
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Maybe you do, but most Atlantans don't. It has about as much to do with Downtown as Midtown Manhattan does with it's downtown.
But if you don't agree, there's always Buckhead.


Agreed
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Yep.


Chicago has at least two downtowns combined as one. The high rises in River North, Streetville, and Gold Coast make up around half of the greater downtown skyline.


Near North side skyline:


Also a third "downtown" is emerging in the South Loop/Near South Side area. It's currently distinctive enough to appear as its own downtown for the south side of the city.
That is one thing that's great about Chicago is their greater downtown doesn't compete with a second downtown like other places.

Chicago's south loop isn't a second downtown. If you moved it 2 or 3 miles south of where it is without it running together with downtown Chicago then yes, I would consider it a second downtown.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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So, how much separation from the main CBD/Downtown does a second Downtown have to be in order to be considered such?
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Cleveland: Downtown-University Circle/Cleveland Clinic Campus
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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So, how much separation from the main CBD/Downtown does a second Downtown have to be in order to be considered such?
There should at least be one neighborhood between it and the official downtown.
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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There should at least be one neighborhood between it and the official downtown.
Interesting....So, a landmark like a highway or land feature such as a hill doesn't count then even if there is substantial separation?
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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Cleveland: Downtown-University Circle/Cleveland Clinic Campus
I'm surprised to see this listed here a few times. Although this area has a pretty good employment base and some office and medical buildings... it is quite spread out and seems to be more like a college campus area than a downtown.

It is sometimes compared to Oakland in Pittsburgh, but Oakland is far more dense and urban, and more of a multipurpose area even with two big universities being there.
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:54 AM
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Location: Miami
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Which ones are you referring to?
Those who are referring to the second "downtowns" in Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and etc.
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Old 05-10-2017, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago metro
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This was posted in the thread " Manhattan vs. Downtown Chicago" about the official CBD boundaries for the latter
https://data.cityofchicago.org/Facil...rict/tksj-nvsw


According to the map, Downtown Chicago officially only extends as far south as Roosevelt Rd. The image I posted for the South Loop skyline is just south of Roosevelt rd. I realized that this area is often regarded as "downtown" by the average Chicagoan. I'm just speaking on a technicality that the South Loop could be second or third "downtown". It kind of helps that it is still has far less building/residential density than the Loop and Near North side that give it a more distinctive feeling.


If we're looking for an area that is at least a neighborhood apart from the traditional downtown(in Chicago this would be the loop), then I think the closest on the south side to that is Hyde Park. It has a few high rises and at least one tourist attraction (Museum of Science of Industry) and a top tier university. If Chicago had won the 2016 Olympics, it was going to be built in the area and provide jobs to that side of the city.


Besides that, maybe the whole north side along the lake can even compete with some mid-size cities' actual downtowns and even large ones such as Phoenix, which has a shockingly small downtown for a city almost as populated as Philly:


I'm not sure if people realize how extensive is Chicago's high rise urbanity along lakeshore . It doesn't stop at Division or North Ave.







Also, Evanston has a very urban core for a suburb and has a few buildings in its downtown above 200ft, although I'm not sure this can count as a second downtown for the Chicago metro. It might for just the north shore. It's basically Chicago's version of Clayton, Missouri.




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You're describing a "greater downtown" as opposed to a second downtown.
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That is one thing that's great about Chicago is their greater downtown doesn't compete with a second downtown like other places.

Chicago's south loop isn't a second downtown. If you moved it 2 or 3 miles south of where it is without it running together with downtown Chicago then yes, I would consider it a second downtown.
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