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Old 05-10-2017, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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America is an oddity in the western world, in most western countries, the capital cities ARE the biggest cities (mainly talking Western Europe and Australia)
Those nations are a lot older, though, sans Australia. Also state capitals aren't the same as national capitals. Now granted DC is not the largest city but its still large and important.
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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Well if you include capitals that are part of their state's largest metro area (like St. Paul and Nashville) or others that are among the major economic and cultural hubs of their states (Richmond, Raleigh, Baton Rouge, Austin, etc.), that gives you roughly half of all state capitals. But I completely agree with your overall point, especially the political one.
Most state capitals are in cities that are at least somewhat relevant as economic and cultural hubs of their states. Cities like Lincoln and Madison are clearly #2 in their state respective states (and Carson City is within Reno's circle of influence as well); Juneau, Dover (DE), Topeka, Augusta (ME), Concord (NH), Bismarck, and Salem (OR) are pretty clearly at least the #3 city in their respective states, and Montgomery, Sacramento*, Lansing, Helena, Santa Fe, Albany, and Harrisburg are clearly in the Top 5 (if not better.) Tallahassee and Springfield (IL) are arguably Top 5, and definitely in the Top 7 in their states.

*If you don't break up both LA/Inland Valley and San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose.

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Old 05-10-2017, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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The whole Democratic thing, plus telephones, computers, internet. Nothing has to be centrally located anymore. They will stay where they are unless they get destroyed for some reason.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:44 PM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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America is an oddity in the western world, in most western countries, the capital cities ARE the biggest cities (mainly talking Western Europe and Australia)
Canberra is Australia's largest city?
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Old 05-10-2017, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Canberra is Australia's largest city?
State capitals, not national.
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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State Capitals are safe. As many have said, location is not very important, as it was in the 19th or early 20th century. Today, they can be located anywhere and get everything done. However, there are still some far-flung State capitals that are away from major cities, but frankly, this doesn't offer any major problems in today's tech age.
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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You folks making the "tech makes it possible to locate a capital anywhere" argument are missing a major logistic obstacle: you still need to have a workforce big enough to do the work. If your state has a huge population and you locate your capital out in the middle of nowhere, there won't be an adequate workforce to do it. This is a part of why Chicago has become the de facto redundant capital of Illinois. Not only do they need a lot of offices and facilities there for constituent services, but frankly Springfield doesn't have anywhere near an adequate workforce to staff a bureaucracy to serve a state of 12 million people. The legislature still meets and cast votes in Springfield -- most of them traveling down there from the Chicago area -- but most of what they vote on gets carried out upstate.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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You folks making the "tech makes it possible to locate a capital anywhere" argument are missing a major logistic obstacle: you still need to have a workforce big enough to do the work. If your state has a huge population and you locate your capital out in the middle of nowhere, there won't be an adequate workforce to do it. This is a part of why Chicago has become the de facto redundant capital of Illinois. Not only do they need a lot of offices and facilities there for constituent services, but frankly Springfield doesn't have anywhere near an adequate workforce to staff a bureaucracy to serve a state of 12 million people. The legislature still meets and cast votes in Springfield -- most of them traveling down there from the Chicago area -- but most of what they vote on gets carried out upstate.
This is somewhat a chicken or the egg problem. Springfield for example actually has a lot of office space and something between 10-20,000 workers in state government. However, because many people obviously want to live in/around Chicago, there hasn't been a big drive to invest further in the state capital. This scenario also creates a lot of redundancy and government waste, as those jobs ought to be in Springfield, which has a metro of a few hundred thousand people who could more than adequately fill those needs. I'm sure the scenario is similar in states dominated by larger cities that aren't capitals.
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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You folks making the "tech makes it possible to locate a capital anywhere" argument are missing a major logistic obstacle: you still need to have a workforce big enough to do the work. If your state has a huge population and you locate your capital out in the middle of nowhere, there won't be an adequate workforce to do it. This is a part of why Chicago has become the de facto redundant capital of Illinois. Not only do they need a lot of offices and facilities there for constituent services, but frankly Springfield doesn't have anywhere near an adequate workforce to staff a bureaucracy to serve a state of 12 million people. The legislature still meets and cast votes in Springfield -- most of them traveling down there from the Chicago area -- but most of what they vote on gets carried out upstate.
In terms of history

Successful example, when Brasil moved the capital from Rio de Janeiro to the new master planned city of Brasilia

Unsuccessful example, Burma moving the capital from Rangoon to Naypyidaw
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Canberra is Australia's largest city?
Was talking about state capitals, which was the subject. The United States is not the only country with states/provinces
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