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I don't know about the others, but from what I've seen, Black people from the Midwest fit in better in the South than the Northeast.
I see where you're going with this....
Black folks from the Midwest may share culture and customs with blacks down south due to the likelihood of being distant relatives and overall similarities throughout black culture unrelated to geography.
However, black folks from "up north", still, in fact, stick out to black folks "down south" due to overall differences in culture, speech, accents, attitude, intensity of religion, liberalism, politics, and acclimation to weather between the NE/Midwest and the South.
Most people from the South (black, white, or other) still consider the Midwest (great lakes and otherwise) "up north," as they would the NE/East Coast.
Are probably more like the Northeast whereas places like:
Indiana
Missouri
Some of Illinois
Kansas
Probably have more Southern carryover.
Middle America states like Iowa or Nebraska seem to be so uniquely Midwestern that I think their residents might think either place is too different from their home.
I think that these places
Pennsylvania
New York
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Vermont
New Hampshire
And even Maine
Won't seem very different to what most people in the Midwest are used to.
Heck, put your average Ohioan anywhere in the Northeast and I think they wouldn't feel very out of place at all. Now someone from Kansas...different story
Overall, this assessment isn't too far fetched, except a couple of main points:
1.) Yes, there are sizeable chunks of Missouri that are legit "South," as SE MO and through the Bootheel might as well be AR/MS/West TN. South Central and SW MO is a good hybrid of Midwest and South. However, Metropolitan KC/STL together hold nearly 60% of Missouri's population and are both SOLIDLY Midwestern. If the average midwesterner would fit more in the NE than the south, then it should apply to the average Missourian as more than half live in areas that identify as Midwest.
2.) For Kansas, I imagine much of the landscape/development (or lack thereof) mirrors that of Nebraska/Iowa, so I'd say that a Kansan living in the vast majority of the land area the state occupies would have an experience much like you described for someone from rural NE/IA. Most Kansans, however live in one of six counties, with three as part of metro KC and two of the remaining three within an hour of downtown KCMO. So due to population distribution, I'd wager most Kansans are more likely to fit better in the NE than the south as the vast majority of most Kansans either live in a mid sized or large Midwestern metro.
Black folks from the Midwest may share culture and customs with blacks down south due to the likelihood of being distant relatives and overall similarities throughout black culture unrelated to geography.
However, black folks from "up north", still, in fact, stick out to black folks "down south" due to overall differences in culture, speech, accents, attitude, intensity of religion, liberalism, politics, and acclimation to weather between the NE/Midwest and the South.
Most people from the South (black, white, or other) still consider the Midwest (great lakes and otherwise) "up north," as they would the NE/East Coast.
Hmm, I see where you're coming from, but that mostly applies to individuals over the age of 35. Things like speech, accents, attitude, and acclimation to weather are a wash, and aren't really important to such individuals within the proper environment. Now the mindstate behind Politics within the Black community in the south are all pretty much the same. It's VERY difficult to find Right Wing individuals; not to mention I'm sure you'd find larger Black Gay communities within the South as well.
When I said Black people from the Midwest would fit in better than the Northeast, I was talking about millennials and the larger Black cultural environments/experiences you'd find in the South. Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, Miami, Charlotte, New Orleans, Richmond, Birmingham, Raleigh, and etc. The cultural institutions, jobs, education, prosperous communities, nightlife, activities, cost of living, etc. that you'd find if the South moreso than the Northeast and it accepts those from various backgrounds.
It just seems as a more easier and comfortable environment to fit or transition into.
Are probably more like the Northeast whereas places like:
Indiana
Missouri
Some of Illinois
Kansas
Probably have more Southern carryover.
Middle America states like Iowa or Nebraska seem to be so uniquely Midwestern that I think their residents might think either place is too different from their home.
I think that these places
Pennsylvania
New York
Connecticut
Rhode Island
Vermont
New Hampshire
And even Maine
Won't seem very different to what most people in the Midwest are used to.
Heck, put your average Ohioan anywhere in the Northeast and I think they wouldn't feel very out of place at all. Now someone from Kansas...different story
I tend to agree with most of this: people from the Great Lakes are going to feel more at home in the Northeast - at least, Pennsylvania and Upstate New York; But New York City, New Jersey, Long Island and New England are in an environment of their own. People from the Great Plains (everything west of a Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis corridor) would likely prefer the Southern States -- although Delaware, Maryland, Northern Virginia and much of West Virginia would be more Lake-states or Appalachian-Midwestern -- similar to Western Pennsylvania and much of Ohio and Michigan.
I don't know if I've said this already in this thread, but it is just silly. People need to know this....why?
Usually when I am not interested in threads I don't bother to ask why they exist. I figure 8 pages in this is mildly interesting to c-d posters and I haven't made the majority of replies, either.
The problem is that they are and most would self identify as such.
With that said, I say NE because, as a previous poster indicated, much of the Midwest was developed by people from the NE. I imagine the similarities in climate and historical manufacturing/industrial output play a role, as well.
Both NE and Midwest are also still generally faster paced than a majority of the South outside (and sometimes including) the big four southern metros.
BTW, if Chicago isn't the Midwest, then Dallas, Houston, & Miami aren't the South...
As a Chicagoan I identify with the Midwest but don't consider myself typical of Chicago though I do fit in the Midwest. The Lower Midwest to me feels more home than the Great Lakes for many reasons. But these people certainly are typical Midwesterners and therefore so am I.
I think it is a misconception that someone from a large mid-west city could not adjust to the south. There are a lot of transplants from major mid-western cities currently living in the south. You may hear them talk about some of the things they miss from their original city but they seem to adjust quite well from what I seen (much more than transplants from California and NYC).
From my experience people transplants from OH,MI, and IL seem to be the most down to earth and friendly. Unfortunately I haven't met many people from Minnesota but the ones that I have talked to seemed friendly also.
The problem is that they are and most would self identify as such.
With that said, I say NE because, as a previous poster indicated, much of the Midwest was developed by people from the NE. I imagine the similarities in climate and historical manufacturing/industrial output play a role, as well.
Both NE and Midwest are also still generally faster paced than a majority of the South outside (and sometimes including) the big four southern metros.
BTW, if Chicago isn't the Midwest, then Dallas, Houston, & Miami aren't the South...
Urmmm, I don't think they are saying that Chicago isn't midwest, that would be silly. I believe they are saying that the lifestyle/expectations of someone from the 3rd largest city in the country is probably not typical of most midwesterners. I would imagine Chicago people have a much more urban outlook than the majority of the rest of the midwest, so not exactly 'average'
I think it is a misconception that someone from a large mid-west city could not adjust to the south. There are a lot of transplants from major mid-western cities currently living in the south. You may hear them talk about some of the things they miss from their original city but they seem to adjust quite well from what I seen (much more than transplants from California and NYC).
From my experience people transplants from OH,MI, and IL seem to be the most down to earth and friendly. Unfortunately I haven't met many people from Minnesota but the ones that I have talked to seemed friendly also.
I am not sure you know what I am asking.
In the South, a Midwestern person would immediately come off as being "not from around here" by just acting normally. In the Northeast such a person would probably not be noticed or assumed to be a local.
I doubt that people can actually contend this point.
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