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Old 06-16-2017, 10:21 AM
 
Location: ATLANTA
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There are. You just have to look past the giants like Atlanta, Houston, and Miami, and the obviously unique places like Charleston, Savannah, Asheville, New Orleans, Orlando, etc.

Columbia, Greenville, Huntsville, Augusta, Greensboro, Winston Salem, Norfolk, Knoxville, Pensacola, Columbus, Montgomery, Roanoke, Little Rock, Nashville, Jacksonville, etc. These are the types of cities I feel give a more typical southern living experience.

I agree with the person above that NYC doesn't really rep the north either. NYC is in a class of it's own. Taking the subway or taxis everywhere, going to school in a 10 story building, and having a thousand skyscrapers to look at isn't typical. I'd say Staten Island maybe, but not NYC as a whole.


If you want to get into this Typical thing, there area few cities on here I don't consider the Typical South or fit that bill IMO, Nashville, doesn't fit the bill of the Typical south,, Too many Transplants now. Norfolk could stick out like a sore thumb as well... Atlanta on a pedestal just doesn't sit well with me. Not the worse place in the world but can't see it removed from the American south.. It's Urban South no doubt, but go in the inner city neighborhoods that have not Gentrified and you will see the south in full affect, people are still country.. Same can be said in some suburbs and far out exurbs on the flip side.. Still Country and southern real quick. Skyscrapers, trains, lenox mall and a lambo doesn't change what you are. You can put lipstick on a Pig but it's still a Pig. Just don't understand why Atlanta would fit the bill for Regional Southern Anyway.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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If you want to get into this Typical thing, there area few cities on here I don't consider the Typical South or fit that bill IMO, Nashville, doesn't fit the bill of the Typical south,, Too many Transplants now. Norfolk could stick out like a sore thumb as well... Atlanta on a pedestal just doesn't sit well with me. Not the worse place in the world but can't see it removed from the American south.. It's Urban South no doubt, but go in the inner city neighborhoods that have not Gentrified and you will see the south in full affect, people are still country.. Same can be said in some suburbs and far out exurbs on the flip side.. Still Country and southern real quick. Skyscrapers, trains, lenox mall and a lambo doesn't change what you are. You can put lipstick on a Pig but it's still a Pig. Just don't understand why Atlanta would fit the bill for Regional Southern Anyway.
So Nashville isn't the "typical South" but somehow you believe Atlanta is???

Again, no one said Atlanta wasn't the South, but it has a lot of characteristics that don't make it a prototypical Southern city, despite your attempts to flippantly disregard these attributes. Somehow I don't see you saying something silly like "you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig" when it comes to Nashville's attributes that distinguish it from the "typical" South.

I hope you finally get where you want to be one day.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Baltimore - Richmond
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Rowhouses:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5056...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4952...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4956...7i13312!8i6656

Triple Deckers:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4921...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5052...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5046...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4947...7i13312!8i6656

Apartment Midrises/Highrises:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5058...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4980...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5040...7i13312!8i6656

Late 20th Century Apartment Complexes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5143...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5078...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.4949...7i13312!8i6656

SFH's and etc. etc. How exactly is this duplicated within the Southeast?
You don't sound quite as "traveled" as some of the posters here based on your replies. There are several cities in the south that have what you mention in surplus. Row homes...Richmond, VA, Alexandria, Va, Fredericksburg,VA, Charleston, SC, Savannah, GA, Duluth, GA. Triple Deckers: Norfolk is full of them. Memphis is as well. Mid/ Highrise apartments can be found in almost any large southern city from Nashville to Charlotte to Atlanta. Dense single family homes? The trolley car was invented in Richmond, VA. I also think that some of those Rowhome pictures of Birmingham that you posted would be considered Townhomes by most people...

Richmond Rowhomes
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5541...2!8i6656?hl=en

Norfolk Triple Deckers
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8669...2!8i6656?hl=en
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:49 AM
 
Location: 352
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If you want to get into this Typical thing, there area few cities on here I don't consider the Typical South or fit that bill IMO, Nashville, doesn't fit the bill of the Typical south,, Too many Transplants now. Norfolk could stick out like a sore thumb as well... Atlanta on a pedestal just doesn't sit well with me. Not the worse place in the world but can't see it removed from the American south.. It's Urban South no doubt, but go in the inner city neighborhoods that have not Gentrified and you will see the south in full affect, people are still country.. Same can be said in some suburbs and far out exurbs on the flip side.. Still Country and southern real quick. Skyscrapers, trains, lenox mall and a lambo doesn't change what you are. You can put lipstick on a Pig but it's still a Pig. Just don't understand why Atlanta would fit the bill for Regional Southern Anyway.
As Mutiny77 has told you twice, I didn't say Atlanta wasn't southern. I said it's not a typical southern city, based on it's characteristics. That's not an insult, just shows how Atlanta has broken the mold...

"Too many transplants" is a poor way to gauge a cities southerness. Not everyone that lives in Atlanta was born and raised. Most all of the thriving southern metros right now are getting a wave of transplants. Charleston, SC may as well be Charleston, PA, Charleston, OH, and Charleston, MA, but that doesn't make it any less southern.
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: ATLANTA
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I've a known a few delusional Alabamans over the years, but this guy takes the prize!
Well it's no more than some wanting to call Atlanta or wanting Atlanta to be little New York!!! Guess we all aspire for bigger things, but does it make some of us Georgian's Delusional??
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:15 AM
 
Location: ATLANTA
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So Nashville isn't the "typical South" but somehow you believe Atlanta is???

Again, no one said Atlanta wasn't the South, but it has a lot of characteristics that don't make it a prototypical Southern city, despite your attempts to flippantly disregard these attributes. Somehow I don't see you saying something silly like "you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig" when it comes to Nashville's attributes that distinguish it from the "typical" South.

I hope you finally get where you want to be one day.


lol... Just all Opinions, healthy discussions, and shows how every one view everything differently, nothing wrong with that. Believe it or not I actually respect and agree with a lot of your opinions as well....
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:22 AM
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Location: Miami
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You don't sound quite as "traveled" as some of the posters here based on your replies. There are several cities in the south that have what you mention in surplus. Row homes...Richmond, VA, Alexandria, Va, Fredericksburg,VA, Charleston, SC, Savannah, GA, Duluth, GA. Triple Deckers: Norfolk is full of them. Memphis is as well. Mid/ Highrise apartments can be found in almost any large southern city from Nashville to Charlotte to Atlanta. Dense single family homes? The trolley car was invented in Richmond, VA. I also think that some of those Rowhome pictures of Birmingham that you posted would be considered Townhomes by most people...

Richmond Rowhomes
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5541...2!8i6656?hl=en

Norfolk Triple Deckers
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8669...2!8i6656?hl=en
Didn't really want to include Richmond or VA based of off that I knew this would've ended up being a thread about the subregions within the South or else I would've obviously included Louisville too, so I just stuck with the typical Southeastern Cities within the Piedmont Area (I thought that was implied). Same goes for Memphis as well, technically Memphis is further West of Mobile, literally overlapping the Northwestern corner of Mississippi. Richmond, Norfolk, and Alexandria are closer to DC, Baltimore, and Wilmington than it is to Charlotte, Atlanta, and Birmingham; So I included those cities with the Mid-Atlantic, rather than the Southeast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-At...opolitan_areas

Also, never did I state those other cities DIDN'T have those distinctive options, but instead I highlighted that Birmingham had ALL of those exact housing options, due to the fact that it's housing market boomed culturally within several different eras; most noticeably Pre-WWII, and Post-WWII.

If you're going to refute my statements, please come with examples and showcase the housing diversity within other Southeastern cities.
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Baltimore - Richmond
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Didn't really want to include Richmond or VA based of off that I knew this would've ended up being a thread about the subregions within the South or else I would've obviously included Louisville too, so I just stuck with the typical Southeastern Cities within the Piedmont Area (I thought that was implied). Same goes for Memphis as well, technically Memphis is further West of Mobile, literally overlapping the Northwestern corner of Mississippi. Richmond, Norfolk, and Alexandria are closer to DC, Baltimore, and Wilmington than it is to Charlotte, Atlanta, and Birmingham; So I included those cities with the Mid-Atlantic, rather than the Southeast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-At...opolitan_areas

Also, never did I state those other cities DIDN'T have those distinctive options, but instead I highlighted that Birmingham had ALL of those exact housing options, due to the fact that it's housing market boomed culturally within several different eras; most noticeably Pre-WWII, and Post-WWII.

If you're going to refute my statements, please come with examples and showcase the housing diversity within other Southeastern cities.
So basically my examples hold no weight because *You* don't consider those cities southern? That sounds an awful lot like 'moving the goalpost'. So you want to mention housing stock that makes Birmingham unique because it is an older southern city but you don't want me to mention the oldest southern cities? I don't know if I understand why you wouldn't include the cities that I mentioned just because they are apart of a sub region that is still in the south. Birmingham is apart of a sub region as well. I also mentioned Charlotte, Nashville and Duluth, Ga, which you ignored. Idk, man...you can't really pick and choose which cities *are* southern just to fit your narrative. Raleigh is closer to Baltimore than it is to Birmingham...does that make it not apart of the southeast? You are basically saying "you are not using *my* personal definition of the southeast, so your claims are completely false." You also ignored the fact that you posted pictures of townhomes and called them rowhouses.
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Old 06-16-2017, 12:23 PM
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Location: Miami
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So basically my examples hold no weight because *You* don't consider those cities southern? That sounds an awful lot like 'moving the goalpost'. So you want to mention housing stock that makes Birmingham unique because it is an older southern city but you don't want me to mention the oldest southern cities? I don't know if I understand why you wouldn't include the cities that I mentioned just because they are apart of a sub region that is still in the south. Birmingham is apart of a sub region as well. I also mentioned Charlotte, Nashville and Duluth, Ga, which you ignored. Idk, man...you can't really pick and choose which cities *are* southern just to fit your narrative. Raleigh is closer to Baltimore than it is to Birmingham...does that make it not apart of the southeast? You are basically saying "you are not using *my* personal definition of the southeast, so your claims are completely false." You also ignored the fact that you posted pictures of townhomes and called them rowhouses.
You're examples holds no weight because they weren't even involved in my initial posts in the first place, how are you going to implement cities within my posts that I strictly left out on purpose? As I stated from the jump on the first page...

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And this is where it gets tricky.

Technically, you can break the Southeast up into four subregions; Mid-Atlantic, Deep South, Piedmont, and South Florida.
You're trying to change the narrative of the posts that I personally typed up myself, nowhere did I state that those cities weren't Southern cities, you're twisting my words. This stemmed from my characteristics of how an outsider can perceive about the Southeast, which doesn't exactly fits Birmingham's mold of having Urban Cores and High-Rises/Mid-Rises developed outside of the Downtown area decades before the Apartment boom of the 21st Century. Which I also stated that Brmingham was one of the first, if not the first city within the Southeast to showcase this, and as expected, no one has yet refuted that statement with examples. Yes you mentioned Charlotte, Nashville, and Duluth, but still yet I've seen to find those examples to back up your claims.
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Baltimore - Richmond
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You're examples holds no weight because they weren't even involved in my initial posts in the first place, how are you going to implement cities within my posts that I strictly left out on purpose? As I stated from the jump on the first page...



You're trying to change the narrative of the posts that I personally typed up myself, nowhere did I state that those cities weren't Southern cities, you're twisting my words. This stemmed from my characteristics of how an outsider can perceive about the Southeast, which doesn't exactly fits Birmingham's mold of having Urban Cores and High-Rises/Mid-Rises developed outside of the Downtown area decades before the Apartment boom of the 21st Century. Which I also stated that Brmingham was one of the first, if not the first city within the Southeast to showcase this, and as expected, no one has yet refuted that statement with examples. Yes you mentioned Charlotte, Nashville, and Duluth, but still yet I've seen to find those examples to back up your claims.
The bold statement is the only statement that I have been replying to. I still feel as though you are using a personal, self defined, definition of southeastern. If I read that statement alone it reads as "Birmingham is the first and probably only southeastern city to showcase this" when it seems like you are really saying "Birmingham is the only city, in what *I* consider to be the southeast, to showcase this". Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean and if that is the case then I apologize. Are you saying that Birmingham is the only city in the southeast that has this type of housing or are you saying that Birmingham is the only city in the southeast that has ALL of these types of housing? I don't think either of those statements are completely true but one is more true than the other. I could show you southern cities in VA that have all of those types of housing in one city, but you would just tell me that VA isn't the southeast...

Does Savannah not count?

midrise/ tripple decker
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0725...2!8i6656?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0634...2!8i6656?hl=en

highrise
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0680...2!8i6656?hl=en

dense single family
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0565...2!8i6656?hl=en

row house
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0709...2!8i6656?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0732...2!8i6656?hl=en

Atlanta could also work as an example.

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