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Old 06-19-2017, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Because the West has a lower % of African Americans, the group with the highest homicide rate.
Unfortunately, this is closer to the truth. It as at least part of it anyway, though probably not fully...

And while many California cities used to be much worse--SF has never had a murder rate higher than 21-22 per 100,000 (70s); LA has never had a murder rate higher than 35/100 (80s); and Oakland I believed topped out 2-3 times at 42-43/100 (80s and 90s) but every other year in its existence, had a rate below 40/100. And those are terrible numbers, to be sure----but there are MANY Eastern, Southern, Midwestern cities that have had higher peak rates than 43, and MANY that have had historically and consistently worse rates than any California city ever saw...
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Racism and segregation (both racial and economic).

Let's take Detroit for example. The City has a high homicide rate, but overall Metro Detroit has an average homicide rate. This is because homicides almost NEVER happen outside of Detroit in any of the suburbs. If all of Wayne/Oakland/Macomb County were a single city, its homicide rate (and population) would be about on par with that of the City of Los Angeles. While Los Angeles is diverse having upscale neighborhoods and ghettos within the same municipality, Detroit does not. This is to say that almost all of the upscale parts of Detroit are in the suburbs, or in the Greater Downtown area, while almost all of the ghettos are in the city.

Well, why is this?

We have to step back in time a few years and accept that Americans are really quite racist. In the 1940s Detroit was a booming industrial city, but as blacks began to find success and move into "white neighborhoods" - whites wouldn't have that. They left for the suburbs and took their factories with them. As successful blacks tried to follow, very few were able to as banks wouldn't lend to them for suburban properties. This went on for decades until Detroit became almost entirely black and institutionalized racism pushed some of the middle-class blacks back into poverty. Over time, as our racism decreased, even middle-class blacks began to move out of Detroit into the suburbs leaving behind only poor blacks. Poor people are, due to environmental factors, far more likely to seek a life of drug abuse and commit violent crime.

You ended up with two cities:
  • Economically depressed, violent City of Detroit - where houses weren't maintained and began crumbling that you probably saw on some crappy Dateline special.
  • Economically stable, quaint, beautiful Metro Detroit where new homes were going up every day. (Nobody knows this exists thanks to the aforementioned crappy news coverage inaccurately portraying all of Detroit as a burnt out war-zone)
This was created by racism and economic prejudice.

This never happened in the west quite to the extent that it did in the South, Midwest, and East. First, Los Angeles aside, you don't have nearly the black population found in most eastern cities - so racism never took root quite as deeply. Secondly, attitudes were much less racist in the west and much more merit based. Culturally people held attitudes of "You may look different than me, but you act the same, so you're fine with me." while in more racist parts of the nation that kind of attitude didn't begin developing until the 1980s/1990s. Due to this you didn't have the red-lining there like you have here with "8 Mile". In short, you don't have city borders which were established by race/poverty.

Today the racism is waning and the lines are blurring. Black people are moving to the suburbs and white people are moving to the city, and what you find is that crime is going down all over (at least in Detroit, I can't speak for other metros). As racism continues to decline and economic segregation is repressed by mixed-income housing and fewer people opting for exurban McMansions you'll see Midwestern and Southern cities experience rapid decreases in crime. Due to the existing city borders, you'll probably always see higher rates of crime in "cities" east of the Rockies, but the metros will continue to have similar crime rates.
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:50 AM
 
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Because the West has a lower % of African Americans, the group with the highest homicide rate.
That is a valid point.....but there are a lot of AA in the West, notwithstanding being low percentage wide. California has a high black homicide rate....higher than most southern states. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...=.af215c0cbb03

Homicides rate are actually lowest for blacks in the south.....probably because poverty is less concentrated and many blacks in the south are in suburban and rural areas. Contrast that with a state like Michigan, where I am originally from, where most blacks are urban dwellers (live in principle cities). The more segregate and the more poverty is concentrated or dense...the higher the rates of homicides....seems to be the pattern.

Nebraska has a high rate of black homicide.....because that vast majority of blacks that live in the small state of Nebraska lives concentrated in the city of Omaha. Michigan has a lot of violent cities....Saginaw, Flint, Detroit, Benton Harbor, Muskegon Heights...which is why the state has such a high rate of black homicides.


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Old 06-19-2017, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Windsor Ontario/Colchester Ontario
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It's the opposite in Canada, the eastern cities are the safest with the lowest homicide rates, and the western cities have the highest violent crime and homicide rates. This is universality recognized to be because of the higher indigenous native population in the west, as they have some very serious social and abuse issues that are deeply ingrained in their culture, especially on the reserves!
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Chicago metro
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There is also little to no blight or severe urban decay in West Coast cities and poorer suburbs. I think these elements further instill a sense of hopelessness in many midwestern cities and even poorer suburbs that invites people to commit crime. On the West Coast, while places like South LA, Compton, Inglewood, Oakland, and Long Beach still have gang problems, the intact infrastructure at least invites some investment (in some cases like Oakland, gentrification) that attract jobs and newer residents that either don't contribute to the crime or are middle class or higher.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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Demographics.
this.

Detroit, Chicago, DC, Philly, New Orleans vs. LA, Denver, Seattle, Boston, see a pattern here?
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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There's a reason Chicago was a bloodbath last weekend and Portland was chill and relaxed, and we all know it. And it isn't institutionalized racism or lead or white flight or freeways or globalization or bad policing or unfair sentencing or all those other endless excuses.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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This never happened in the west quite to the extent that it did in the South, Midwest, and East. First, Los Angeles aside, you don't have nearly the black population found in most eastern cities - so racism never took root quite as deeply.
You don't have to say Los Angeles aside. LA is only 10% black and the metro is around 7% (for reference a Midwest city that is thought of as not having many black people, Minneapolis is 17% black and the Twin Cities metro is 8%, acknowledging some percent of that is Somali immigrants). Granted, some of your perception of LA is a result of the cultural impact of the black community there, and some of it is a result of a historically larger population, maxing out sometime around 1970 at about 18%. As LA has gotten more expensive, many black residents have left for more affordable cities. Even communities like Watts, South LA, and Compton that traditionally had large black majorities are now all majority Hispanic and have decreasing numbers of black residents.

The only large West Coast city that has a black percentage approaching Midwest city levels is Oakland, which is about 1/3 black.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:12 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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$$$$$ & education
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: The Windy City
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Because the West has a lower % of African Americans, the group with the highest homicide rate.
I don't think skin color has anything to do with it, but poverty does. But it just so happens that most poor people in the country are black.

Blacks moved north during and after the Civil War and up until WWII. They moved to the larger industrial cities (mostly in the Midwest and North) for jobs. They didn't move west because the West didn't have jobs available. In fact, some Western states weren't even states until the early 1900s. Arizona didn't become a state until 1912.
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