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Old 06-19-2017, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles-Houston-DFW
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You don't have to say Los Angeles aside. LA is only 10% black and the metro is around 7% (for reference a Midwest city that is thought of as not having many black people, Minneapolis is 17% black and the Twin Cities metro is 8%, acknowledging some percent of that is Somali immigrants). Granted, some of your perception of LA is a result of the cultural impact of the black community there, and some of it is a result of a historically larger population, maxing out sometime around 1970 at about 18%. As LA has gotten more expensive, many black residents have left for more affordable cities. Even communities like Watts, South LA, and Compton that traditionally had large black majorities are now all majority Hispanic and have decreasing numbers of black residents.

The only large West Coast city that has a black percentage approaching Midwest city levels is Oakland, which is about 1/3 black.
Despite all of this though, the LA metro has actually gained people the past decade. Its not like the Bay Area. A lot of Blacks that may leave the City of LA or Inglewood or Compton are ending up in the South Bay cities (Torrance, Redondo Beach), San Gabriel Valley, Inland Empire, and even Orange County now.
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Old 06-19-2017, 07:18 PM
 
Location: New South
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Sorry, new too the forum and was interested in this topic as I am looking to make a move. Would it be safe to say besides all of the issues, history, effects aside, when we are looking at it from purely a "todays" perspective, the more AA there are the higher the homicide rate of an area... ? Even the wealthiest AA communities seem to have a higher homicide or violent crime rate.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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Sorry, new too the forum and was interested in this topic as I am looking to make a move. Would it be safe to say besides all of the issues, history, effects aside, when we are looking at it from purely a "todays" perspective, the more AA there are the higher the homicide rate of an area... ? Even the wealthiest AA communities seem to have a higher homicide or violent crime rate.
I don't think it's quite as simple as that. Look at NYC which is about 25% black, and has lower crime rates than almost any West Coast city, despite no major West Coast city other than Oakland having more than 10% black population. It not as if the black population is monolithic. Some are new, educated immigrants from Africa. Some are poor refugees from Africa or the Caribean. Some come from generations of poverty in the U.S. Some African Americans are from well educated middle and upper class families. Depending on the mix in a city, crime may or may not correlate with percentages i.e. two cities with a similar number/percent black population may be very different if one city has an overwhelming percentage of the black population living in poverty and the other has a large population of middle and upper class AA and educated immigrants from Africa.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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While Western cities tend to be safer, the western states overall have more crime as in rural and small town crime. States like New Mexico, Arizona, Alaska and Nevada have some of the highest state crime rates along with the southern states like Tennessee and Louisiana, while the midwest states dont make the list.

And i wouldnt even include Des Moines into the convo just because they have 1 bad year.

Also the cities with the highest auto thefts rates are all western cities especially Albuquerque which leads the nation in auto thefts.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:29 PM
 
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Also.......just to mention that the Midwest is more populated than the west and has more big cities. Just Ohio alone has more people than Utah, New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming and Montana combined. And thats 5 of the western states right there.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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Nobody knows but the Midwest and South have always had the highest crime rates.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:58 PM
 
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Racism and segregation (both racial and economic).

Let's take Detroit for example. The City has a high homicide rate, but overall Metro Detroit has an average homicide rate. This is because homicides almost NEVER happen outside of Detroit in any of the suburbs. If all of Wayne/Oakland/Macomb County were a single city, its homicide rate (and population) would be about on par with that of the City of Los Angeles. While Los Angeles is diverse having upscale neighborhoods and ghettos within the same municipality, Detroit does not. This is to say that almost all of the upscale parts of Detroit are in the suburbs, or in the Greater Downtown area, while almost all of the ghettos are in the city.

Well, why is this?

We have to step back in time a few years and accept that Americans are really quite racist. In the 1940s Detroit was a booming industrial city, but as blacks began to find success and move into "white neighborhoods" - whites wouldn't have that. They left for the suburbs and took their factories with them. As successful blacks tried to follow, very few were able to as banks wouldn't lend to them for suburban properties. This went on for decades until Detroit became almost entirely black and institutionalized racism pushed some of the middle-class blacks back into poverty. Over time, as our racism decreased, even middle-class blacks began to move out of Detroit into the suburbs leaving behind only poor blacks. Poor people are, due to environmental factors, far more likely to seek a life of drug abuse and commit violent crime.

You ended up with two cities:
  • Economically depressed, violent City of Detroit - where houses weren't maintained and began crumbling that you probably saw on some crappy Dateline special.
  • Economically stable, quaint, beautiful Metro Detroit where new homes were going up every day. (Nobody knows this exists thanks to the aforementioned crappy news coverage inaccurately portraying all of Detroit as a burnt out war-zone)
This was created by racism and economic prejudice.

This never happened in the west quite to the extent that it did in the South, Midwest, and East. First, Los Angeles aside, you don't have nearly the black population found in most eastern cities - so racism never took root quite as deeply. Secondly, attitudes were much less racist in the west and much more merit based. Culturally people held attitudes of "You may look different than me, but you act the same, so you're fine with me." while in more racist parts of the nation that kind of attitude didn't begin developing until the 1980s/1990s. Due to this you didn't have the red-lining there like you have here with "8 Mile". In short, you don't have city borders which were established by race/poverty.

Today the racism is waning and the lines are blurring. Black people are moving to the suburbs and white people are moving to the city, and what you find is that crime is going down all over (at least in Detroit, I can't speak for other metros). As racism continues to decline and economic segregation is repressed by mixed-income housing and fewer people opting for exurban McMansions you'll see Midwestern and Southern cities experience rapid decreases in crime. Due to the existing city borders, you'll probably always see higher rates of crime in "cities" east of the Rockies, but the metros will continue to have similar crime rates.
It's disgusting. It's like the created reservations without calling them that or giving them their own autonomy. At least people on the res have some rights.
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Old 06-20-2017, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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The two answers have already be pointed out.
- Less black gangsters (not necessarily people, look at NYC, Atlanta and D.C which have high black populations but much lower murder rates than their populations would show you)
- Bigger geographic areas, Houston is huge in its city limits and you could easily cut out many wealthy areas like Clear Lake and Kingwood increase the murder rate, although the worst ghrttos aren't in the center of the city either.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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I don't think skin color has anything to do with it, but poverty does. But it just so happens that most poor people in the country are black.

Blacks moved north during and after the Civil War and up until WWII. They moved to the larger industrial cities (mostly in the Midwest and North) for jobs. They didn't move west because the West didn't have jobs available. In fact, some Western states weren't even states until the early 1900s. Arizona didn't become a state until 1912.
Skin color has a lot to do with it in America.....and that is because skin color was the bases for slavery/racial oppression. It's no accident that the murder rate for black people outside of Africa is higher than the murder rate for black people living in Africa (ignoring civil wars and such). The Murder Rate in Ghana, where many captured Africans were sold into slavery, is about 5 per 100,000. The murder rate in cities in the African diaspora, the descendants of enslaved Africans, are multiple times greater in Jamaica, Brazil and the United States. Also, given the correlation between poverty and crime and how poor Ghana is relative to blacks in the West, it debunks a genetic causation to the high rates of violence among blacks in the global west.

Rates of violence is related to skin color in America.....but only because skin color is related to racial oppression and the impact of that racial oppression has resulted in more violence in those historically oppressed because of their skin color.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:27 AM
 
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It's the opposite in Canada, the eastern cities are the safest with the lowest homicide rates, and the western cities have the highest violent crime and homicide rates. This is universality recognized to be because of the higher indigenous native population in the west, as they have some very serious social and abuse issues that are deeply ingrained in their culture, especially on the reserves!
Ingrained in their culture or became a part of their culture due to socio-historical circumstances?
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