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Old 06-22-2017, 03:40 AM
 
Location: Western Asia
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I think it is stunning to compare Western areas to the Midwest and South.

Orange County, California in 2015 for instance had 57 homicides for the entire year with a population of 3.2 million people. Cities in the Midwest like Louisville, St. Louis and Detroit with far smaller populations have already far surpassed that this year and it is barely June.

Birmingham, Alabama with just over 200,000 people has already surpassed the total of all of the 2 million person San Jose metro area in 2015.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-6

Why do Western cities have such low homicide rates as opposed to Midwestern and Southern cities.

Even the highest-homicide rate major cities in the West like Las Vegas, Albuquerque and Phoenix have rates of around 10 per 100,000 people.

Denver, San Francisco and Los Angeles tend to have about 7 per 100,000 residents per year.

Then there ones like Seattle, Portland, San Diego that have rates around 2 per 100,000 residents in a good year.

The only exceptions to this seem to be San Bernadino and sometimes Oakland but even that Oakland for instance has lower homicide rates than Des Moines.

There really isn't anything like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Birmingham, Jackson, New Orleans, Tulsa, Oklahoma City and the list goes on and on.

Anaheim and Riverside for instance which are considered rough in California tend to have about as homicides over the course of a year as St. Louis has during a bad week.

Racial demographics is the biggest difference. Also, expensive real estate has kept out people without good jobs.
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Old 06-22-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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I think it is stunning to compare Western areas to the Midwest and South.

Orange County, California in 2015 for instance had 57 homicides for the entire year with a population of 3.2 million people. Cities in the Midwest like Louisville, St. Louis and Detroit with far smaller populations have already far surpassed that this year and it is barely June.

Birmingham, Alabama with just over 200,000 people has already surpassed the total of all of the 2 million person San Jose metro area in 2015.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-6

Why do Western cities have such low homicide rates as opposed to Midwestern and Southern cities.

Even the highest-homicide rate major cities in the West like Las Vegas, Albuquerque and Phoenix have rates of around 10 per 100,000 people.

Denver, San Francisco and Los Angeles tend to have about 7 per 100,000 residents per year.

Then there ones like Seattle, Portland, San Diego that have rates around 2 per 100,000 residents in a good year.

The only exceptions to this seem to be San Bernadino and sometimes Oakland but even that Oakland for instance has lower homicide rates than Des Moines.

There really isn't anything like Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Birmingham, Jackson, New Orleans, Tulsa, Oklahoma City and the list goes on and on.

Anaheim and Riverside for instance which are considered rough in California tend to have about as homicides over the course of a year as St. Louis has during a bad week.
Your numbers are a bit off (I believe Seattle was at 4 in 2015 and San Diego was 3, but point taken. Also, you didn't even mention San Jose which has an even lower murder rate).

I think it has largely to do with historic patterns of ghettos and disinvestment in certain areas of older cities, along with more stagnant economies in many of these cities.
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:40 PM
 
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There's a reason Chicago was a bloodbath last weekend and Portland was chill and relaxed, and we all know it. And it isn't institutionalized racism or lead or white flight or freeways or globalization or bad policing or unfair sentencing or all those other endless excuses.
Gotta love the "what about Chicago?" scapegoat. Well instead of pointing out how bad Chicago is, have you ever stopped and thought about how things got this way in the first place?

Whether you want to admit or not, all of that is true. Institutionalization, white flight, tax base losses, and freeways are 4 big causes of why Chicago, Detroit, St Louis, Camden, Memphis, Philadelphia, DC, Birmingham, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Baltimore, and etc other cities are the way they are. Atlanta suffered as well, but has recovered for the most part.

IMO East St Louis is the worst city to have to live in, and it's not because it's 98% black. Why is it 98% black to begin with? How is that even possible? Every issue has a starting point.

De-industrialization happened, but what else happened: the cities losing a good chuck of their tax base from people fleeing to expanding suburbs, which made the city lose ground on expansion, lose revenue, and have to fight to keep companies in city.

I seriously don't understand how anyone can be this naive today, but yet I can. All these cities have the same exact issue, so there's obliviously an underlying problem that we've ignored and continue to ignore. Gangs, crime, and blight didn't come to be because black people got bored and wanted a thrill.

And it doesn't help that the solution most cities are doing to "fix" this problem is just price the people out, instead of bring in jobs for them and get them productive.
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