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Old 06-22-2017, 04:59 PM
Location: I is where I is
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As usual, a thread goes to hell because people have to bring up politics and argue, it gets so old.

My input as far as Santa Cruz specifically (since I live only about an hourish away), is don't go there. Sure, with a $3m budget, you can live away from the "sketchy" areas, however Santa Cruz has a lot of crime issue & a lot of homeless issues. The famous boardwalk area is super sketchy, and to me, not enjoyable.

The Bay Area in general, was an obvious Clinton area, so your Trump "needs" will be fine, and for $3m, there are very nice areas around SF that would be awesome for you.
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:49 PM
Location: New York NY
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For New York, consider:
Upper West side of Manhattan, Brooklyn Heights, Park Slope (also in Brooklyn), or Montclair NJ, an artsy, left-leaning, ethnically diverse, upscale NYC suburb that's an easy commute by train or bus to Manhattan.
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:25 AM
Location: In the heights
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I think all of your choices might work though most of your California picks can have massive homeless issues and Santa Barbara is quite small. For NYC, which I'm most familiar with, Brooklyn Heights, Greenpoint, Park Slope, and Prospect Heights are good Brooklyn picks, and the Upper West Side and Gramercy are potentially good picks. The trickiest thing about NYC is having the budget for a three bedroom in an area zoned for a good public school as the private schools are pretty outrageously expensive as is housing in areas zoned for good public schools. You can pretty easily hit close to around the top of your budget for that combination (especially in several Manhattan) and/or end up in housing with some pretty wonky layouts for a 3 bedroom.

I'd throw in Evanston which is basically a college town (Northwestern University) bordering the north side of Chicago. You basically get a bustling college town, but instead of out in the middle of nowhere, it borders the third largest metropolis of the US. It also borders a massive lake. Other choices that you haven't mentioned, but can work are Philadelphia and its suburbs, the North Side / Northwest Side of Chicago itself, Denver, the Twin Cities, and Portland (Oregon).

For smaller cities, Ann Arbor, Madison, Burlington, and Portland (Maine) are also pretty good picks.

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Old 06-23-2017, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jjcap View Post
After 3 years in Geneva,2 in London we are finally moving back to the U.S.

What we're looking for
-Interesting (near great art scene, culture, great restaurants, shopping)
-Home prices - Below $2m for a 3 bedroom in a good neighborhood
-Near good public schools (private might suffice though)
-Near great universities
-Well read
-Where the vast majority people are repulsed by Trump and Tumpism

At this point, I'm not sure we want the city and burbs. We have lived in both and there are plusses and minuses of each, so I'm keeping it open.

I've narrowed it down to (in order of appeal) -

New York City (Manhattan or Brooklyn)
San Francisco
Santa Barbara
Santa Cruz

These places might be all over the map, but we have literally lived all over the map as expats so we still don't know exactly what we want.

Anyone live in any of these and can give me pluses or minuses.

This has got to be one of the weirdest requests made. ALL those cities are...CITIES! Four of the six are big cities, to boot. NYC is THE biggest city in the US.

If I ignore the first bolded statement, NYC and Boston are the best fits. They and their suburbs have all the things in your wish list, and then some. Anything but cities will not meet all those wishes.

The vast majority of people did not vote for Trump, period. However, some of those who did not vote for him were not necessarily repulsed by him. They simply might have thought he was not the right person for the job.
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Old 06-23-2017, 03:27 PM
Location: Tennessee
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Do you have a job you need to live close to?
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:30 PM
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Default Not Santa Cruz

I've lived in Santa Cruz 8 years now, and even though it's pretty I don't recommend it. You could get a much better quality of life for comparable or possibly less money elsewhere.

The pros of Santa Cruz are obvious on the surface: it's scenic. Beaches, redwood forests. If you're very into surfing, it's good for that. And it has a little bit of a college town quality because of UC Santa Cruz.

But the cons outweigh it by far, imho. First, it is one of the most expensive places in CA to live. That is okay if you can afford it and are getting something for your money. But you don't get a great quality of life here for the buck.

--The schools here are in general weak, esp for what you are paying in property taxes. The city and county have not made investing in local schools a high priority.

--Traffic congestion is very bad and has only gotten worse in the last few years. If you commute to Silicon Valley, count on an hour or more 1 way. If it's a nice summer day and you want to go to the beach, you might be only two miles from the beach but have a 40 minute drive or more, and that's before you start looking for parking. Again, local governments have been resistant to road/highway improvement, so unlikely it will get better.

--A lot of drugs. Even if you have a pretty easy going attitude about that, you might want to think about it if you might raise kids here. There are drugs anywhere, but more some locales more than others, and Santa Cruz has a pretty strong drug culture. My middle school kid passes one vape shop and 2 dispensaries on his way to school, all with huge wall-sized advertising. A Santa Cruz elementary school a couple of years ago was having a school fair as a fundraiser, a little girl opened the bathroom door and found a body - a woman who had died from an overdose in the elementary school bathroom. Surprisingly high number of kids who graduate high school and then sit around mom's basement getting stoned. When you or your kids walk around downtown, they will pass people stoned and smoking all the time. So far not a lot of opioids, but some recent arrests indicate that is starting to change. Like schools and traffic, this doesn't seem to be a high priority for local government. Other side of the hill, there certainly are drugs, but comparing my friends experiences I would say somewhat less prevalant, partly because of more emphasis on education.

--A number of other services are weak here compared to Silicon Valley side of the hill. Reimbursements for medical professionals tend to be lower here than in Silicon Valley, so if you need a specialist of any kind, you gotta go over the hill. To have a wider choice in private schools, kids' activities, a good variety of ethnic food, or cultural life, you've gotta drive over the hill. The university contributes somewhat to Santa Cruz life, but because it is located back in the hills a bit, it's not as integrated into the town as it might be, and relations with the town haven't always been great.

Overall, unless you really need to be near the beach or you work in Santa Cruz, you're better over the hill. The cost is comparable, but you'll be located closer to good schools, a shorter commute, and a much bigger choice of higher quality services and activities.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:04 PM
Location: Chibostoncaliseattle
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I mean, it's hard to make an impressionable recommendation based on what we know. If you want to maintain some semblance of Europe, I'd entertain NYC and Boston for sure. And as for your criteria, it makes me lean more towards Boston and Massachusetts as a whole. Often said to have the best public schools in the country, the higher ed capital of North America, the most liberal state in the union, and one of the most stable markets during economic downturn.

For Boston, I'd actually focus on Brookline/Chestnut Hill, MA. It's a city that sits in a silo within or around Boston city limits. Very very progressive, worldly, some of the countries top testing public schools, and for $2M you should be able to find a home in some of the desirable neighborhoods. The food scene is really nice for a suburb, and it will provide the convenience that only a Boston or NYC could provide. Completely and entirely walkable with superb public transportation.

Above the budget, but it gives you a feel for the neighborhood and type of housing stock:


FYI Brrokline is the home of JFK, Michael Bloomberg, Theo Epstein, James Taylor, Norman Ramsey, Conan Obrien, the Weld family, and a slew of other left leaning Americans both past and present. They would welcome your anti-trump sentiment with open arms (as do I).

There are probably 15-20 more suburbs in Boston that would fit your criteria, but Brookline is top of mind under your circumstances and criteria. Feel free to DM as that time approaches!

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Old 12-12-2017, 07:45 AM
Location: Chibostoncaliseattle
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Originally Posted by mwj119 View Post
FYI Brrokline is the home of JFK, Michael Bloomberg, Theo Epstein, James Taylor, Norman Ramsey, Conan Obrien, the Weld family, and a slew of other left leaning Americans both past and present. They would welcome your anti-trump sentiment with open arms (as do I).
*Is/was the home of...
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:15 AM
Location: "The Dirty Irv" Irving, TX
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Oh, classic, it's a 1%er who wants to avoid the plebs.
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Old 12-12-2017, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebck120 View Post
Your response in unnecessary. The OP didn't only list major cities, Santa Barbara and Santa Cruz are definitely not major cities. I would also assume they mean suburbs of the major cities they listed would be an option.

It's is very easy to live in areas where the vast majority of people are repulsed by Trump, more Americans did actually vote for Hillary btw. All you have to do is look at % of voters. Also, avoid the South, the Midwest and rural areas for the most part which is fine because the remainder make up where most of the wealth and best educational institutions are concentrated.

With that said, I think the criteria is too broad and any progressive major city would suffice those needs. The below are other progressive "major" cities with good schools and progressive suburbs that are not surrounded by a sea of red.

Washington DC
San Diego
Los Angeles
I was with you on all points........until the stereotyping of the South, Midwest, and rural areas ensued. I mean, where do I start, lol......I actually can't stand Trump, but find it ironic when one claims to be "progressive" and "tolerant", yet can't bear to even live in an area that even remotely doesn't see their world view as they do. Actually, most areas of the South and Midwest are some of the most ideologically diverse regions in the nation. I live near Boston (a city you recommended), and it's one of the most politically homogeneous areas anywhere. I don't think purposely isolating yourself from people and ideas not your own is good. If you want diversity, you have to have it even if it doesn't serve you. THAT'S the true test......In terms of the Presidency, we were given 2 of the worse choices of Presidential candidates in my 52 years of life. To say that Hillary "got more votes" as somehow making any kind of difference is hilarious, lol. It's just plain sour grapes excuses. She herself said during one of the debates, "We’ve been around 240 years. We’ve had free and fair elections and we’ve accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election". The hypocrisy in that statement is off-of-the charts funny, given the way she's acted since the election. I would've loved my 3rd party choice to have won. BUT, they didn't. Life goes on. I mean, this isn't rocket science! lol.........The South and Midwest are where you will get the best buying power (wages vs. cost of living) in the nation. You get more for less. Buy/invest instead of rent. THAT'S how you obtain personal wealth........I have a college education in Computer Science, but one thing I've learned in life is there's a BIG difference in being "educated" and being wise. Those who are overly enamored with being "educated", most of the time, lack wisdom......This just goes to show that, when you allow stereotypes and self-righteousness to guide your thinking, it blinds you to reality in favor of your own biases.
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