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Old 02-16-2018, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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I'm going to declare Nevada to be the official last majority minority state. With huge states like California and Texas, where whites have already fallen from majority to plurality status and other states, many also large, are racing towards whites falling under 50% white, it's about tim e we stop talking about people being "minority": we're ALL minorities now.

The language needs to change to reflect the diversity that is today'sAmerica. And in the most important of numbers, if you take the large numbers of blacks, hispanics and Asians and mix them with all the white folk (very much including myself) who mercifully shreaded their "whiteness" ages ago, you have a group that is probably a huge majority in virtually every state.

White people never existed until we invented them. And we had to invent them because you can't have them as slaves uness they are not as good as you, inferior to you, and possibly not even the same species as you. You have to play the fiction.

So we had to create white folks because otherwise you can't contrast them from blacks. And because blacks were easy to keep in their status because they were easily identifyable, so suited for a group you wish to make the lowest class...thebetter to exploit themselves, dear.

So we started whiteness and the white race which was basically WASPish. And then we padded the numbers by bestowing whiteness on first other northern European protestants, then to the Irish and other Catholics to make all Chrisian Europeans part of the club, and then we threw in the Jews, making all Europeans acceptable.

Why in hell do we need to expand "whiteness" anymore. Let's just dump it like, you know, all the other so called advanced nations have already done. It's poisonous. It's cancerous. And it needsto stop. And
Justin Trudeau? Is that you? Cry me a river.


But seriously, get a grip on yourself. You're raving mad!!!!
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Old 02-16-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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It's not that they don't listen to rap I shouldn't have said that but it's not ingrained in their culture it's like Rap is to East Asians or White People. Places like Lawrence, Holyoke, Chelsea, MA are placed with almost 0 African American presence it's not the same as New York or Philly there is no African American culture to blend into.


So even 2nd (maybe 3rd idk everyone's backstory) generations very much have "Spanish vowels" and you hear blended conversations

That last sentence kind of proves my point of Domicans/West Indians

A good example is Lawrence doesn't even have a JV football team, it's a city of 80,000 with one high school with not enough kids that play football to have a JV and Varsity that would not happen if kids growing up
In America immediately Americanized.
I agree with your perspective - Dominicans, as well as a few other ethnic groups of color, generally have a different culture than American blacks do, often even a generation or two down the line. It's not uncommon.

Of course there is some assimilation with black American culture, as I would argue black American culture is the largest component of pop culture. But to say that Dominicans (as well as quite a few other immigrant groups) generally fully assimilate into black American culture by the second generation is a bit of a stretch.

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I get where you're coming from, but on the macro level with the advent of the internet, people are becoming way more alike than different. Ever since Christopher Columbus decided to get lost and "discover" the new world, the idea that large groups of people can remain isolated without change has become smaller and smaller.

The real lines IMO are between income groups. Not in the Communist "workers of the world unite" way, but in the lines between who controls things and who doesn't. I guarantee you that a rich white and rich black person have more in common than a rich white person and a poor one.

Maybe I'm jaded because I work in a field where I see a diverse set of rich business people all the time. They definitely don't obsess over this as much as they do about money.
Also true, and to me that's primarily an exposure/education-related thing. Rich business people understand that other rich business people likely would never have made it there if they weren't hardworking, smart, and driven. Rich people tend to have respect for people like that regardless of race or culture.

Since poor people are poor, and most understand that they are poor, its generally more unlikely that they will get the opportunity to interact in any meaningful way with wealthy people of another race on a regular basis. They primarily interact with poor people of other races, and poor people have a higher tendency to show traits that do not reflect well on that particular group. Add in politicians purposely pitting poor blacks vs. poor whites and you see the situation we have today.

I've long thought that this country would be in a much better place if there were ever a way to get poor blacks and poor whites to vote together to support their largely shared interests, but given our obsession with race as a country, I doubt it ever happens.
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Old 02-16-2018, 07:36 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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The US is not the most diverse country in the world. It's not even in the top three. It's a fallacy to think that other diverse countries don't have long and difficult conversations related to race or ethnicity. These issues become highly political and have involved wars.

If anyone wants to know why the US in particular talks a lot about race, one need only look at our history. From the horrors of slavery to the native american genocide (which still isn't officially classified as genocide) to the Jim Crow years...race and ethnicity have been a governing factor in the country since its inception. We've never lived "civilly and enjoyably" together. One group of people habitually subjugated other groups based entirely on race and ethnicity. It's an important discussion to continue having.
We refuse to move on. Between redneck *******s and social justice warriors we will never move on. Race will just be brought up again and again.

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Before this topic gets thrown out or deleted, I think everyone lives everywhere now and within 20 years the lines between cultures are going to become so blurred that it won't even matter.
See comment above.
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Old 02-16-2018, 08:37 PM
 
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I agree with your perspective - Dominicans, as well as a few other ethnic groups of color, generally have a different culture than American blacks do, often even a generation or two down the line. It's not uncommon.

Of course there is some assimilation with black American culture, as I would argue black American culture is the largest component of pop culture. But to say that Dominicans (as well as quite a few other immigrant groups) generally fully assimilate into black American culture by the second generation is a bit of a stretch.



Also true, and to me that's primarily an exposure/education-related thing. Rich business people understand that other rich business people likely would never have made it there if they weren't hardworking, smart, and driven. Rich people tend to have respect for people like that regardless of race or culture.

Since poor people are poor, and most understand that they are poor, its generally more unlikely that they will get the opportunity to interact in any meaningful way with wealthy people of another race on a regular basis. They primarily interact with poor people of other races, and poor people have a higher tendency to show traits that do not reflect well on that particular group. Add in politicians purposely pitting poor blacks vs. poor whites and you see the situation we have today.

I've long thought that this country would be in a much better place if there were ever a way to get poor blacks and poor whites to vote together to support their largely shared interests, but given our obsession with race as a country, I doubt it ever happens.
I didn't mean to imply that all Dominican-Americans fully assimulate to black culture, however quite a few of them are heavily influenced by it. Yes everyone listens to rap, but Dominicans and Puerto Ricans often speak in AAVE and wear black fashion. And to a lesser extent this is true for many nonwhite ethnic groups in the US.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn the best borough in NYC!
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No they don't, even if they don't speak Spanish as a 1st language their slang is intertwined in "Spanglish".

Obviously the food is different than traditional AAs and they play mote soccer/Baseball than Basketball/Football, and they listen to Caribbean or Latin Music not hip hop/rap and theyre largely Catholics not Protestants.
Spanglish is more Rican. Iíve never heard of Dominicans speaking Spanglish !
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn the best borough in NYC!
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Maybe in new york.
But new york isn't the world.
Africans in chicago have their own bubble of neighborhoods and don't associate with American blacks. And the 1st generation is not into that thug lifestyle.

You just contraindicated yourself and supported me.
I said there is a divide and you said they assimilate.
Now you are saying there is a divide.
Which is it?
No maybe not everywhere. African who are born here definitely do assimilate with African Americans since they know longer have the accent or cultural look that will separate them.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:44 PM
 
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Oh boy what? he's right.

American has this obsession with black and white as if the rest of us people don't exist.
To some degree maybe, but he just went full blown SJW.
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Old 02-17-2018, 03:06 AM
 
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Spanglish is more Rican. Iíve never heard of Dominicans speaking Spanglish !
I rarely hear Spanglish at all to be honest. I don't see the purpose of it, most 2nd gen Latinos (meaning children of immigrants) in New York are fluent in both English and Spanish. The only cases of Spanglish I hear are subsitutions of English words when a speaker doesn't know the proper Spanish word for something, I hear this a lot with "bacon" in particular for some reason.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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No maybe not everywhere. African who are born here definitely do assimilate with African Americans since they know longer have the accent or cultural look that will separate them.
And that's mostly due to class. Not because they are black. They happen to live in bordering neighborhoods because of class. Like I said. There's plenty of middle class immigrants from Somalia who do not associate with lower class american blacks. But those who do usually do so because they live in places they can afford. Which is bordering or among lower class american blacks.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Kent, UK/ Rhode Island, US
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I agree with your perspective - Dominicans, as well as a few other ethnic groups of color, generally have a different culture than American blacks do, often even a generation or two down the line. It's not uncommon.

Of course there is some assimilation with black American culture, as I would argue black American culture is the largest component of pop culture. But to say that Dominicans (as well as quite a few other immigrant groups) generally fully assimilate into black American culture by the second generation is a bit of a stretch.



Also true, and to me that's primarily an exposure/education-related thing. Rich business people understand that other rich business people likely would never have made it there if they weren't hardworking, smart, and driven. Rich people tend to have respect for people like that regardless of race or culture.

Since poor people are poor, and most understand that they are poor, its generally more unlikely that they will get the opportunity to interact in any meaningful way with wealthy people of another race on a regular basis. They primarily interact with poor people of other races, and poor people have a higher tendency to show traits that do not reflect well on that particular group. Add in politicians purposely pitting poor blacks vs. poor whites and you see the situation we have today.

I've long thought that this country would be in a much better place if there were ever a way to get poor blacks and poor whites to vote together to support their largely shared interests, but given our obsession with race as a country, I doubt it ever happens.
The difficult part is that you need to get people(especially African Americans) to drop or at least weaken the concept of racial identity. That's the root of the issue people are missing.
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