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Old 07-09-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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a 344,791 345,066 345,568 349,071 351,299 354,573 358,980 360,847 364,709
Battle Creek, MI Metro Area 136,146 136,148 136,025 135,245 134,777 134,869 134,976 134,447 134,386
Bay City, MI Metro Area 107,771 107,771 107,688 107,498 107,091 106,910 106,232 105,557 104,747
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI Metro Area 4,296,250 4,296,313 4,291,373 4,287,293 4,293,573 4,295,413 4,299,512 4,297,538 4,297,617
Flint, MI Metro Area 425,790 425,790 425,056 421,773 418,029 415,553 412,813 410,442 408,615
Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI Metro Area 988,938 988,940 989,543 996,657 1,007,358 1,018,731 1,029,340 1,038,337 1,047,099
Jackson, MI Metro Area 160,248 160,248 160,169 159,673 160,102 159,789 159,597 159,465 158,460
Kalamazoo-Portage, MI Metro Area 326,589 326,592 326,905 328,393 330,519 332,492 334,187 335,030 336,877
Lansing-East Lansing, MI Metro Area 464,036 464,032 464,247 466,100 466,782 467,959 470,107 471,794 475,099
Midland, MI Metro Area 83,629 83,629 83,663 83,755 83,678 83,578 83,459 83,618 83,462
Monroe, MI Metro Area 152,021 152,021 151,946 151,513 150,862 150,224 149,936 149,494 149,208
Muskegon, MI Metro Area 172,188 172,188 171,922 169,979 170,126 172,230 172,281 172,697 173,408
Niles-Benton Harbor, MI Metro Area 156,813 156,817 156,793 156,518 156,093 155,501 155,439 154,629 154,010
Saginaw, MI Metro Area 200,169 200,169 199,916 198,838 198,352 196,785 195,252 193,290 192,326
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The info may be a little hard to make out, but it shows the metro population for Michigan metros for the past 6 years. It's from American Fact Finder. Detroit metro population is almost the same in 2010 as it is in 2016. It has grown by 1,367 in six years. I don't know where the above post found the metro population increased by 800,000. I would love to see that source.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:46 PM
 
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He was clearly wrong. People misread or misundertand stats all the time.
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Old 07-09-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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Chicago. I keep hearing people are leaving because of crime. And the only good part is a neighborhood called a loop and a miracle mile.
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Really? Being there several times in the lat few years, I felt the only bad part was South Chicago and the rest was really nice.
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:38 PM
 
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Really? Being there several times in the lat few years, I felt the only bad part was South Chicago and the rest was really nice.
I find it very hard to believe that there's only one bad part of Chicago.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:12 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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But, if you zoom out and look at the big picture, you will find this is the smallest decrease in over 50 years.

1960 1,670,144 −9.7%
1970 1,514,063 −9.3%
1980 1,203,368 −20.5%
1990 1,027,974 −14.6%
2000 951,270 −7.5%
2010 713,777 −25.0%
Est. 2016 672,795 [5] −5.7%

Even comparing to 2010 is not really fair. Detroit has really been making the largest strides over the last 3-5 years. The yearly statistics show it is continuing to slow.

Detroit city, Wayne County
Total population April 1, 2010: 713,777
Total population July 1, 2011: 704,135
Total population July 1, 2012: 698,558
Total population July 1, 2013: 689,596
Total population July 1, 2014: 679,903
Total population July 1, 2015: 676,336
Total population July 1, 2016: 672,795
Numeric change '15 - '16: - 3,541
Percent change '15 - '16: -0.50%


And Metro Detroit, which has never lost population, is growing more quickly than it has in 50 years.

1950 3,016,197
1960 3,762,360 24.7%
1970 4,307,470 14.5%
1980 4,353,365 1.1%
1990 4,482,299 3.0%
2000 4,752,557 6.0%
2010 5,196,250 9.3%
Est. 2017 5,992,060 15.3%
No one one this thread is (or was) talking about metro Detroit. That is one phenomenally diseased metro area, though--how/why on earth did Oakland County and the environs gain 800k over the past 7 years? Dystopian sprawltopia
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:15 AM
 
Location: 'greater' Buffalo, NY
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He was clearly wrong. People misread or misundertand stats all the time.
It's a female who's 'back in the mitten'. Let her believe what she wants/needs to believe.

I say all this as a resident of Buffalo, hardly much better off....
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Old 07-10-2017, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Did Detroit fail....or did America? Seems to me Detroit is not the cause but the victim of industrial jobs shipped abroad and the hollowing out of our cities.

In a country has a "Detroit", perhaps we need to look at this as a sign of our national decline. It affects all of us. Increasingly if you read the international press, the opinions of what is out there beyond our oceans and borders, you get a picture of a nation in decline. It is inescapable.

If Detroit goes down, we all go down. And I will suggest here that there was never a time when white collar NYC was as strong as the time when blue collar Detroit was strong. That NYC, at the middle of the 20th century, may well have been NYC at its greatest: a city that thrived off the successes of its nation, a city with income equality, not inequality, where the creative class and the middle class could afford to live there and enrich the city.

So what's the next Detroit. I don't know, but maybe it will be New York. The US is a sinking world power, the axis of importance to the global economy goes across Eurasia and North America moves to the periphery.

We gloat about the travails of Detroit, smug in our senses that our cities are immune to what that city faced and faces. Yet we're all in the same American boat and that boat is bringing us all downward.

If you live in a nation of a failed city, the nation itself has failed. Detroit is not a Detroit tragedy; it is an American tragedy.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Back in the Mitten. Formerly NC
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He was clearly wrong. People misread or misundertand stats all the time.
She had a bad source, which I will admit. It gave CSA numbers, not MSA numbers and the estimate was off. I went straight to the source this time (US Census), which is attached below. It is holding steady, no gains, no losses.

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No one one this thread is (or was) talking about metro Detroit.
People outside of Michigan view cannot differentiate between Michigan and Detroit. Detroit IS Michigan in their eyes. Many people have no idea that Metro Detroit has always been healthy, nor do they realize that it includes some of the wealthiest suburbs in the country.
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Did Detroit fail....or did America? Seems to me Detroit is not the cause but the victim of industrial jobs shipped abroad and the hollowing out of our cities.

In a country has a "Detroit", perhaps we need to look at this as a sign of our national decline. It affects all of us. Increasingly if you read the international press, the opinions of what is out there beyond our oceans and borders, you get a picture of a nation in decline. It is inescapable.

If Detroit goes down, we all go down. And I will suggest here that there was never a time when white collar NYC was as strong as the time when blue collar Detroit was strong. That NYC, at the middle of the 20th century, may well have been NYC at its greatest: a city that thrived off the successes of its nation, a city with income equality, not inequality, where the creative class and the middle class could afford to live there and enrich the city.

So what's the next Detroit. I don't know, but maybe it will be New York. The US is a sinking world power, the axis of importance to the global economy goes across Eurasia and North America moves to the periphery.

We gloat about the travails of Detroit, smug in our senses that our cities are immune to what that city faced and faces. Yet we're all in the same American boat and that boat is bringing us all downward.

If you live in a nation of a failed city, the nation itself has failed. Detroit is not a Detroit tragedy; it is an American tragedy.
I realize the US has issues and everything, but this hyperbole on how the US is falling off the edge of the earth is over the top.. We have two large oceans and non aggressive neighbors, which give us a leg up on the rest of the world when it comes to security, really as good as it gets. The US is the perfect location for global interaction and business, smack between Europe and Asia.

We have Silicon Valley, the Top Universities, Major Alpha City+++ in New York, by far the largest Military, a massive economy with an incredible standard of living when compared to rising nations such as India and China.

Almost as important as the above mentioned is we have good long term Demographics when compared to most of Europe and China. China has an excess of hundreds of millions of males, poor long term demographics due to their one child policy and horrible air pollution.

Europe is too splintered, to many nations, with too many cultures and a rough history with Russia, and near by Middle East.

The US will continue to be the top world power for decades to come. Donald Trump won't last forever, a bump in the road. The US isn't going anywhere.
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Old 07-10-2017, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Katy-zuela
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I realize the US has issues and everything, but this hyperbole on how the US is falling off the edge of the earth is over the top.. We have two large oceans and non aggressive neighbors, which give us a leg up on the rest of the world when it comes to security, really as good as it gets. The US is the perfect location for global interaction and business, smack between Europe and Asia.

We have Silicon Valley, the Top Universities, Major Alpha City+++ in New York, by far the largest Military, a massive economy with an incredible standard of living when compared to rising nations such as India and China.

Almost as important as the above mentioned is we have good long term Demographics when compared to most of Europe and China. China has an excess of hundreds of millions of males, poor long term demographics due to their one child policy and horrible air pollution.

Europe is too splintered, to many nations, with too many cultures and a rough history with Russia, and near by Middle East.

The US will continue to be the top world power for decades to come. Donald Trump won't last forever, a bump in the road. The US isn't going anywhere.
I've got news for you! The U.S. is (too) splintered too. Now that there is a white Republican back in the Oval Office, the Red Southern states are not howling for secession like they were 5 years ago. But now there is backlash against removing the Confederate legacy post-Roof. There might be a coup within the GOP soon for a separate Southern state. Texas may secede back to the Republic.

The North and West don't like a Southern-based GOP pushing Southern values on them. The West sees Washington as a far-away East-coast/Eastern U.S.-centric government. There might emerge a Donald Trump-figure that belittles the burdensome Federal Government (a.k.a. the Fedocracy) like Donald's anti-EU rants in the U.K.

The North doesn't like the growing domination of the South due to House seats shifting with the Sunbelt migration trend. I could see the Union (the Northeastern and Great Lakes) states joining Canada due to similar values, lifestyles, and geographical proximity.

The federal government will evacuate to the states that are left in the Intermountain West and Great Plains and locate in a suitable inland city for the new capital. But that territory will be so weak that it's up for grabs. Canada, the new Western state, the Confederacy, Texas, and perhaps Mexico will try to grab as much proximate territory from the weakened United States as possible.
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