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Old 08-02-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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1. How many American cities can you name thay are truly socialist?

2. What you described, which was described as "white flight" has already happened in a very large number of American cities

3. Many cities with high costs of living are seeing a lot of growth. Many cities with a low cost of living are in decline. It's called supply and demand.
The socioeconomic flight is duplicating what happened decades ago. The working class can not afford the good neighborhoods because of the cost and do not want to settle for (or can't afford to) gentrifying the neighborhoods on the decline. Throughout the US, the importance of ethnicity has been replaced by a class system so I wouldn't consider this strictly white flight. The US is such a melting pot that race is a non-factor. Our society judges individuals based on financial status.
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I'd be curious to know how many of the Detroit boosters live in the city (not the suburbs). I've read the Detroit forums extensively and most boosters appear to be in the suburbs for... reasons. Detroit isn't quite awesome enough for them to live in yet.
Detroit, compared to its suburbs, is still more expensive to live in all things equal. It's easy to find neighborhoods in the city where crime is low and if you don't have kids then you don't really worry about schools, but if everything else is equal, taxes are higher, cost housing is usually either the same or higher, and even car insurance is way higher.

Not only that, but something like 50% of Detroit residents commute to a job in the suburbs. If you don't work downtown, or some small factory, you probably have a job outside of Detroit. What then is the incentive for living in the city? Certainly, I believe Detroit is a great city that could be even greater if it's flaws were fixed. It'd be cool to live downtown and be able to walk everywhere, but I don't make downtown money. My job is also 45 minutes away in the opposite direction.
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Old 08-02-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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Places such as Phoenix and Tampa are more likely to see depopulation in the future than the Rest Belt cities since their economies are pretty lackluster outside of catering to snowbirds/retirees (the lack of Fortune 500 companies relative to their population should be a clue). While Rust Belt cities like Detroit and Chicago certainly have some issues at least they have a sizable manufacturing base and additional amenities such as a large fresh water supply, a higher percentage of educated citizens, and a large airport that has flights to Europe, Asia, etc which is attractive to foreign companies looking to set up shop in the US.
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Old 08-02-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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You mean the next renaissance city? Probably Cleveland/St. Louis.
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Old 08-02-2017, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Places such as Phoenix and Tampa are more likely to see depopulation in the future than the Rest Belt cities since their economies are pretty lackluster outside of catering to snowbirds/retirees (the lack of Fortune 500 companies relative to their population should be a clue). While Rust Belt cities like Detroit and Chicago certainly have some issues at least they have a sizable manufacturing base and additional amenities such as a large fresh water supply, a higher percentage of educated citizens, and a large airport that has flights to Europe, Asia, etc which is attractive to foreign companies looking to set up shop in the US.
Phoenix is NOT just a snowbird Haven/retiree spot anymore. This isn't 1990.....
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Old 08-02-2017, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Chicagoan throwing in my 2 cents worth here:

Chicago's future? Richer, more gentrified, whiter, typical "successful" US city that squeezes out the poor and minorities. Chicago is bleeding black population. White, hispanic and Asian populations have not declined. How should we feel about that: being the center for the rich, being so gentrified, squeezing out the poor and minorities: lousy. but welcome to modern America.

Highest murder rate in the US? Not even close. We have the highest # of murders in the US because the city is such a large one and frankly our murder rate and numbers is higher than NYC or LA.

But the safety issue is mainly in a few high crime neighborhoods on the South and West sides.

In the core of the city, downtown an adjacent areas, the city is a boom town. No city is has more downtown residential construction than Chicago. Cranes in the air everywhere. Huge major projects being worked. Wanda Vista, an 1000+ ft., 95 story condo/hotel tower rises along the Chicago River....the smallest and cheapest condo in the building on the lowest floors will set you back a $1,000,000. Other such residential towers are rising in the city's core. Does any seriously f'ing think that sounds like a city in decline.

Maybe I am getting a little defensive here, but mostly I am laughing my head off at the mind boggling, off the wall, bat s**t crazy ignorance so many people have about Chicago. Ours is one of the most desirable cities in the US. By far. We are a magnet for the best of entertainment, dining, culture, an utter gem of a city.

Am I worried about Chicago's future? Hell no! We are incredibly great today, and we will be greater tomorrow.

I haven't put down any city here....all I've done is note how much garbage has been given my some folks here about Chicago. I'm hardly going to put down great American cities like Boston, New York, Washington, San Francisco and Los Angeles. Chicago is peer to them all, one of America's elite.

And I am damned proud and damned lucky to call this incredible city my home.

Chicago may get its push back, but Chicago gets a bigger pass than Detroit or even Cleveland. The media does gloss over the murders a little bit because it's hub city, they would do that for Detroit or Cleveland. Even a lot of Chicago natives put down both cities as well as other Midwest cities just so everybody knows how great Chicago is. So, maybe Chicago is kind of reaping what its sowed for its constant of other Midwest cities. I enjoy visiting Chicago, but y'all have a habit of dogging other Midwest cities for not being Chicago. You can be proud, but it doesn't mean you have to dog other to do it because then you're showing insecurity.

So, yes, you are definitely being defensive. Nobody has ever put Chicago on "Top Worst" in anything, and Chicago hasn't been the poster child of urban decay and everybody's whipping boy or girl. Plus, all your sports teams are national institutions; look at last year's World Series the Cubs were the Lovable Losers while the Indians were the team in Cleveland with the racist logo.
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Old 08-02-2017, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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Chicago may get its push back, but Chicago gets a bigger pass than Detroit or even Cleveland. The media does gloss over the murders a little bit because it's hub city, they would do that for Detroit or Cleveland. Even a lot of Chicago natives put down both cities as well as other Midwest cities just so everybody knows how great Chicago is. So, maybe Chicago is kind of reaping what its sowed for its constant of other Midwest cities. I enjoy visiting Chicago, but y'all have a habit of dogging other Midwest cities for not being Chicago. You can be proud, but it doesn't mean you have to dog other to do it because then you're showing insecurity.

So, yes, you are definitely being defensive. Nobody has ever put Chicago on "Top Worst" in anything, and Chicago hasn't been the poster child of urban decay and everybody's whipping boy or girl. Plus, all your sports teams are national institutions; look at last year's World Series the Cubs were the Lovable Losers while the Indians were the team in Cleveland with the racist logo.
This is very true. Don't get me wrong I have met plenty of Chicagoans that show love for Detroit and don't pretend to live on a high horse but there are quite a few Chicagoans thats I've met in real life that seem to have some obsession with bashing Detroit everytime Detroit is bought up in a convo. I've also met a couple of them that like to bash NYC as well. If you want to brag about your city that's fine... I like to brag about mine as well. But I can do so without putting down other cities to make mine look better.
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Old 08-02-2017, 06:35 PM
 
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This thread added nothing of value, why did this random person from Cannes start it? He obviously hasn't a clue about the city...
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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A lot of inner cities are going to be hurt by the current middle class flight. Inner cities have just become too progressive with a high cost of living. What will happen when the rich and businesses start leaving for the burbs and there is no one left to pay the exorbitant taxes needed to support a socialist city?
Then prices will go down, thus making the city affordable to the middle class once again.

Amazing how things correct themselves, eh?
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Old 08-02-2017, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Then prices will go down, thus making the city affordable to the middle class once again.

Amazing how things correct themselves, eh?
The middle class won't move back because of the poverty, poor school districts, increased crime, and high taxes.
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