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Old 07-20-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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All in all, I don't think there's any other state quite like California. Culturally and economically, it just feels different, and functions differently, than the rest of the United States.
It's really a country within a country. Technically that's every state but much more so in California.
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Old 07-20-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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Unfortunately, no. Great state. Not for me to live, but they've come a long way since the 80s.
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Old 08-28-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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Oh Connecticut sorry ha
I was gonna guess upstate NY, I was close! Not much different than Ct
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Old 08-30-2017, 05:18 PM
 
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If you're looking for an alternative that has nice natural environment, nice weather and low COL, I suggest Florida.
How is Florida comparable to California? Because it has beaches? Beaches can be found almost anywhere. California is unique because it is one of the few places you can snow ski and water ski all in the same day. Beyond the Rocky Mountain states (Arizona, Colorado, maybe Nevada) where else is that possible?
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Old 09-05-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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How is Florida comparable to California? Because it has beaches? Beaches can be found almost anywhere. California is unique because it is one of the few places you can snow ski and water ski all in the same day. Beyond the Rocky Mountain states (Arizona, Colorado, maybe Nevada) where else is that possible?
The most overrated thing about California, who actually does this all in the same day? The Florida beaches are prettier than California beaches IMO. With that said due to its size, California does provide almost everything that one would need, but Eastern states are much closer together with just as much and really even more to do.
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Old 09-05-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Maybe.....North Carolina.
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:03 PM
 
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no one brings up hawaii or puerto rico (if you speak spanish already from S California...)

lots of open space, it's all water so get a boat instead of a car
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Old 09-06-2017, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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Greater Phoenix and Greater Las Vegas are poor man's Inland Empire's/north OC, with comparable weather outside of summer
The Inland Empire is the poor man's Las Vegas/Phoenix though

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One state, far more than any other, stands out as being fully capable of being a nation, a successful nation, on its own: CALIFORNIA!
Literally any state is capable of being it's own nation though. Not as successful as CA, of course. But Texas could make a case as well (Considering it's been it's own Country before).
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Old 09-06-2017, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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There is no state comparable to California.

I like this.

Because I don't like California, and I would never want to live in something like California.

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The Inland Empire is the poor man's Las Vegas/Phoenix though
I see a lot of comparisons for the IE and Phoenix/Vegas. Vegas and Phoenix, in their few differences, Vegas is much more similar to California by a country mile. Someone earlier in the thread said 20% of Californians relocate to Nevada. That doesn't surprise me. That's all the transplants Nevada gets for the most part. In comparison, Arizona gets more transplants from the Midwest and Northeast that balance out the California transplants. Arizona by default, is more different than Southern California. This is because Phoenix has a better economy and we don't care about which is closer to Los Angeles (Las Vegas is, by 2 hours). Inland Empire is still much worse than Vegas and Phoenix combined.

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One cannot ski and surf in the same day if you can barely afford your rent.

One cannot ski and surf in the same day if your commute is 2 hours each way.

One cannot ski and surf in the same day if you don't have the means of getting there.

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Coastal California is for the wealthy, and only the wealthy. If you are not the wealthy, then even Inland California (like the IE) will be expensive and not worth it.

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Here in Phoenix I have:
- 2 hour drive to skiing in Flagstaff
- 1.5 hour drive to two national parks (Saguaro National Parks)
- Numerous amounts of public land near the 5 million metro, some of which are just open flatlands perfect for camping or target practice, many of which are canyons and mountains
- 4 hour drive to the beach (Rocky Point, Mexico)
- 2.5 hour drive to Mexico border
- 3.5 hour drive to Grand Canyon
- 5 hour drive to Monument Valley (and the numerous amounts of canyons that are on the Navajo Nation)
- 4 hour drive to Vegas
- 3.5 hour drive to Lake Powell and Havasu
- 6 hour drive to San Diego and Los Angeles (add an hour to get to the beach)

In Vegas (time estimates):
- 1.5-2 hour drive to Death Valley
- 1 hour to Lake Mead
- 1 hour to skiing at Mount Charleston
- 4 hour drive to Los Angeles
- 4 hour drive to Phoenix
- 5 hour drive to the beach in Los Angeles
- 6 hour drive to San Diego
- 2-3 hour drive to Grand Canyon (south side)
- Numerous amounts of public land in the desert for hiking, target practice, and camping
- 4 hour drive to Reno (?)
- 5 hour drive to Lake Tahoe

With Californian traffic, assuming same location of these two cities and just adding congestion, commuting time will nearly double to these areas. It's not worth it when I'd rather spend less time in the car and afford my rent much easier.

Vegas and Phoenix are considered to be some of the most nature-friendly cities in the US given their proximity to many natural monuments and public lands. Los Angeles? Not as much.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:47 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The most overrated thing about California, who actually does this all in the same day? The Florida beaches are prettier than California beaches IMO. With that said due to its size, California does provide almost everything that one would need, but Eastern states are much closer together with just as much and really even more to do.
Nobody, I think I've seen one person do that in my entire life and it was surfing and skiing, nobody is water skiing in winter. Though this past year is one of the few years people could ski and water ski in the same day because several ski resorts stayed open until July 4th or a little later, but that's rare. I think it's just said to show the variety of leisure activities available in a relatively short distance but yeah no one really does that.
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