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Old 09-03-2017, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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I live in Youngstown, Ohio, another underappreciated rust-belt city. I moved to the area 17 years ago, and have really come to enjoy living here.

I'm not at all depressed by the blight. I can see what it was, and what it can be again. I am occasionally depressed when some of the better building stock--that some consider blighted--is demolished. I consider that a lost opportunity.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Yes some are disabled, a few may actually be working people. I believe those innocent groups would still be in the minority in a housing project. Obviously I have no beef with those kinds of people and I don't believe they contribute to the ghetto conditions of housing projects. In fact those folks would likely be happy if we removed the criminals from thier neighborhoods, no doubt these folks are often victims of the criminals in the projects. I assume it's not a stretch to say more than half of the people in these places are criminals, if they weren't then the projects would be relatively safe wouldn't they?
In NYC, the plurality of families (very close to a simple majority) in projects are working class--they either just don't make enough but are actively working and trying. There's also usually a lot of seniors and disabled. There's also those who probably shouldn't qualify anymore as they got in when they were making less income (or in some cases "inherited" their unit), but made the decision that the cheaper rent or not having to move was worth the quality of life issues (keep in mind, that at a certain threshold the rent becomes a percentage of your income so those who stay in essence help subsidize other tenants by paying more).

The criminals are a fairly small minority, but it doesn't take much to make things awful for everyone.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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I believe over the last several years nearly every mid-sized and up rust belt city has either stabilized its population loss or has gone on to increasing save for a handful of notable exceptions such as St. Louis. However, it remains to be seen how stable that is as the mid and late 1990s and early 00s also saw this stabilization and then the losses started anew, and then started seeing the stabilization that's seen now since the early 2010s--so it's possible that this one will go on for a while, but it's also possible it's going to hit those dips as they did in the mid to late 00s.
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Old 09-04-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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I don't mean to sound disrespectful but is Gary really making a comeback???? I was under the impression it was the Camden of the mid-west.
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Old 09-04-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: I is where I is
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I don't mean to sound disrespectful but is Gary really making a comeback???? I was under the impression it was the Camden of the mid-west.
No, it is not.

This guy seems to love it, but is making some ridiculous arguments about why it's the best place in the US. Laughable obviously
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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In NYC, the plurality of families (very close to a simple majority) in projects are working class--they either just don't make enough but are actively working and trying. There's also usually a lot of seniors and disabled. There's also those who probably shouldn't qualify anymore as they got in when they were making less income (or in some cases "inherited" their unit), but made the decision that the cheaper rent or not having to move was worth the quality of life issues (keep in mind, that at a certain threshold the rent becomes a percentage of your income so those who stay in essence help subsidize other tenants by paying more).

The criminals are a fairly small minority, but it doesn't take much to make things awful for everyone.
No doubt NYC is a different animal, extreme cost of living likely means a lot of middle class folks live in subsidized housing. If that is the case it would reduce the rate of crime there. However in much of America housing projects are synonymous with ghetto conditions and a lot of crime. We need to lock up the criminals, if we're talking violent crime then they should never see the light of day again.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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No, it is not.

This guy seems to love it, but is making some ridiculous arguments about why it's the best place in the US. Laughable obviously

Explain to me then why my house, which has an attached unit I Airbnb, clearing 25,000 a year, has doubled in value in 3 years. Dozens of homes are undergoing gut rehabs, new homes are going up in my area of the city. New businesses are opening, a new bike share system was recently lunched, a 60 million dollar building at Indiana University Northwest was just completed. Gary is at the very beginning of a sustained recovery, but the flight from the city is largely abating and at least in my neighborhood, the population is growing.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:46 PM
 
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And when did I say it was the best in the country. I was talking about it's location at the southern Nexus of the Great Lakes.
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Old 09-04-2017, 08:57 PM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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And when did I say it was the best in the country. I was talking about it's location at the southern Nexus of the Great Lakes.
Never mind them. It feels good to hear about any positive developments in the Rust Belt. What goes around comes around, and you guys will have your turn again.
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Old 09-04-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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Hers an interesting article on the cooperation between the city of Gary and the state of Indiana is reaching a higher level. People in the Region used to quip that to Indianapolis, the state ended at the Kankakee River (40 miles south if Gary). The new Governor "gets it" that Gary/NWIndiana is on the verge of a major rabaissance.

National Guard expected to come to Gary's aid | Lake County News | nwitimes.com
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