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Old 08-30-2017, 05:13 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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There are a lot of self-proclaimed libertarians whose "libertarianism" comes with a lot of caveats.
Also true. I've heard them called libertarians with a lower case "L".
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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Yep. That is the meaning of choice in pro-choice.




If they are real Libertarians, then they are free market purists. If they are free market purists, they are for open borders.

There are a lot of self-proclaimed libertarians whose "libertarianism" comes with a lot of caveats.
I've been on a lot of Libertarian forums and what not. A lot of Libertarians support the stance on just about everything but open borders. The main reason is that open borders have been proven to fail in Europe. Having strong defense is also important to the Libertarian stance. Having completely closed borders or strict immigration policies is obviously anti-libertarian though.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Also true. I've heard them called libertarians with a lower case "L".
Not going to lie I might be a republican if it wasn't for all the Neo-con authoritarians who secretly run the party. And of course you know who as president who I will never support. Essentially I support what the Republican party use to be if you know what I mean.
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:58 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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Yep. That is the meaning of choice in pro-choice.




If they are real Libertarians, then they are free market purists. If they are free market purists, they are for open borders.

There are a lot of self-proclaimed libertarians whose "libertarianism" comes with a lot of caveats.
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I've been on a lot of Libertarian forums and what not. A lot of Libertarians support the stance on just about everything but open borders. The main reason is that open borders have been proven to fail in Europe. Having strong defense is also important to the Libertarian stance. Having completely closed borders or strict immigration policies is obviously anti-libertarian though.

I think some Libertarians don't support open borders because of welfare. Of course with Libertarians, just like with all parties, you'll get people who are more left-leaning and those who are more right-leaning.

All Libertarian debates eventually end up with claiming that somebody is not "as Libertarian" as somebody else
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Old 08-30-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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I think some Libertarians don't support open borders because of welfare. Of course with Libertarians, just like with all parties, you'll get people who are more left-leaning and those who are more right-leaning.

All Libertarian debates eventually end up with claiming that somebody is not "as Libertarian" as somebody else
Pretty much
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Denver
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And support a woman's right to choose. And very loose borders/free immigration.

In many ways Libertarians are not on the same page as Republicans.
I wasn't aware of the loose immigration ideology.
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i know you hate Austin, but look up some facts. Travis county was the only county where the majority of white voters voted for Hilary. Libertarian is very live and let live. They don't care about gays getting married and want low taxes, so yes, some Austin citizens like that. It's not a welfare state.
I don't hate Austin, definitely don't love it though. All I said was that I got that feeling of libertarian when I was there. And by that, I describe the people I saw and interacted with as likely Republicans who smoke weed. Welfare state? Why did you mention that.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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I will still call them Republicans who smoke weed. Austin felt like that to me very much so.
But in reality Austin is Democrats who smoke weed.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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I wasn't aware of the loose immigration ideology.


I don't hate Austin, definitely don't love it though. All I said was that I got that feeling of libertarian when I was there. And by that, I describe the people I saw and interacted with as likely Republicans who smoke weed. Welfare state? Why did you mention that.
Why would Republicans who smoke weed vote for Hillary? I mentioned welfare state because you called Austinites "republicans," so I thought you thought they were anti-government services (libertarian).

Austin was the only county in Texas where the white vote went to Hillary. She is the opposite of libertarian, polar opposite.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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But in reality Austin is Democrats who smoke weed.
Not quite as liberal as the coasts, but more liberal than most southern cities, again, especially among white voters.
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Old 08-30-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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Austin is a city, not a county. Someone white out in rural Travis County may not always have the same political views as someone white in the city of Austin. Same within Dallas County -- white person in Sachse, TX not necessarily the same as a white person in the city of Dallas.
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