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View Poll Results: Where?
New York City 16 3.10%
Greater Boston 32 6.20%
Philly 38 7.36%
DC/N. Virginia 50 9.69%
Raleigh/NC Research Triangle 32 6.20%
Austin 48 9.30%
San Francisco/Bay Area/Silicon Valley 13 2.52%
Baltimore 11 2.13%
Toronto 33 6.40%
Pittsburgh 35 6.78%
Chicago 99 19.19%
Atlanta 109 21.12%
Voters: 516. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-24-2017, 01:43 PM
 
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Yeah, but we're talking about a relatively short list of cities here (Austin, Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Denver, etc.). I don't see many people looking at a job posting for $250K and saying, "Naaah, it's in Austin." I don't see any of these cities having a problem attracting talent because they are not cool/liberal/educated/walkable enough.
Oh yeah, none of the cities on the short list will have a problem with that.

 
Old 10-24-2017, 01:45 PM
 
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Because of the unusually high turnover rate, it has to be a hip city where the young and bright will WANT to move without being killed by COL.

Chicago - Yes
Atlanta - Yes
NJ/NYC - Yes (Just because of NYC)
Charlotte - Yes
Minneapolis - Probably
Austin - Probably
St. Louis - ???
Boston - ???
Philly - ???
If Charlotte is a "yes," then Minneapolis and Austin are certainly in that category also.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Yeah, but we're talking about a relatively short list of cities here (Austin, Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Denver, etc.). I don't see many people looking at a job posting for $250K and saying, "Naaah, it's in Austin." I don't see any of these cities having a problem attracting talent because they are not cool/liberal/educated/walkable enough.
People will go anywhere to work for a company like Amazon. Austin is growing like crazy anyway.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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People will go anywhere to work for a company like Amazon. Austin is growing like crazy anyway.
Apparently not. Highly educated workers will only take a job in Manhattan, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston or Portland. These are, of course, the only places in the U.S. that have highly educated workers, so it makes total sense.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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The notion that people won't follow high-paying jobs seems almost comical. People leave places like NY and SF everyday for career opportunities.
Not that nobody will but fewer than you'd think, especially if they already have lives (e.g. Not straight out of college) that's why they are moving to Branson, MO, the local talent pool matters a lot.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Not that nobody will but fewer than you'd think, especially if they already have lives (e.g. Not straight out of college) that's why they are moving to Branson, MO, the local talent pool matters a lot.
That poster wasn't talking about the local talent pool. He specifically said people would not move to certain cities. That's ridiculous. If people weren't willing to move for jobs, then how in the hell have metros like Atlanta and Charlotte gotten so big?

I'm not even sure most of these cities would be at a severe disadvantage when it comes to the local talent pool either. Sure, they are all at a disadvantage compared to Silicon Valley, but then if local talent pool is that important, why not just put HQ2 in Oakland and call it a day?
 
Old 10-24-2017, 02:32 PM
 
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That poster wasn't talking about the local talent pool. He specifically said people would not move to certain cities. That's ridiculous. If people weren't willing to move for jobs, then how in the hell have metros like Atlanta and Charlotte gotten so big?

I'm not even sure most of these cities would be at a severe disadvantage when it comes to the local talent pool either. Sure, they are all at a disadvantage compared to Silicon Valley, but then if local talent pool is that important, why not just put HQ2 in Oakland and call it a day?
Well I think there are cities where people leave to find jobs and have an overflow of College Graduates, places like Boston, Pittsburgh, even Rochester can't retain all their college graduates because their economics are just not big enough to absorb all those people even if they want to stay, so they move back to where they came from. Even that might mean less because new college grads from out of town are probably more mobile than people with families and other ties to the community.


Atlanta is the center of the Southeast, Vandy, Emory, GTech, UNC, Clemson Grads everywhere. So they are probably up there, they also have Mass Transit.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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That poster wasn't talking about the local talent pool. He specifically said people would not move to certain cities. That's ridiculous. If people weren't willing to move for jobs, then how in the hell have metros like Atlanta and Charlotte gotten so big?
Agreed.

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I'm not even sure most of these cities would be at a severe disadvantage when it comes to the local talent pool either. Sure, they are all at a disadvantage compared to Silicon Valley, but then if local talent pool is that important, why not just put HQ2 in Oakland and call it a day?
Please NO.
 
Old 10-24-2017, 03:15 PM
 
Location: bend oregon
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It’s probably going to be in Cali. When are they going to say?
 
Old 10-24-2017, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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In many ways I like the idea of going to a Rust Belt city and being part of a rejuvenation. That said, the only 2 rust belt cities that would qualify on the transit front are Pittsburgh, Baltimore, St.Louis, and Cleveland.

The real concern here for Amazon is the ability to get and retain the highly skilled workforce. These are highly skilled and highly sought after employees who can get a job anywhere, anytime they feel like. All the bribes in the world {aka NJ} and cheap land means squat if they can't get the workers. The notion of asking such workers to move to such high crime cities {less so Pittsburgh} seems almost comical. This is what Chicago and Philly also have to overcome. This is why I don't think they will get it. Chicago routinely has more murders every year than all of Canada. They are up against cities like Toronto which was recently rated as the world's 4th safest major city and the safest in NA. If you were a skilled worker which would you pick and which environment would you rather raise your kids in?

Cost of living, good schools, and airports are all come into play but they will be secondary as the primary concern for Amazon will be the city's ability to draw and maintain these workers.
Good points all around, especially about highly skilled workers. But as you point out, while it would be nice, Amazon isn't out to save cities. This simply isn't in their DNA. they want to continue to be profitable pure and simple. And moving into a rust belt city would be a risk. Amazon likes risk, when they know the odds are in their favor. In moving to the rust belt, the odds decrease greatly.
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