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Old 11-29-2017, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Mt. Airy
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I'm watching this thread like anyone who is passively curious about the final result.

I worked for a big company that was all about bidding on contracts, responding to RFPs, submitting and selecting BAFO (best and final offers). The thing is, we had "a machine" built for this purpose, a team comprised of people who knew how much money this deal was worth, what was the likely payout over the operating term of the contract, etc.

There comes a point, where you go PAST what's rational/profitable for the amount of time & effort you put out. I've watched my company WITHDRAWL from the bid process when it looked like a loser deal for the supposed 'winner'. A Fortune 500 corporation has completely internalized this behavior. But in SYMBOLIC or POLITICAL deals, you can see all kinds of crazyness ensue.

It is a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity for the short-list of candidates. Let them limbo dance and do parlour tricks, juggling their flaming maracas, shouting "pick me pick me!" "we will give you no property taxes for 20 years and an NFL stadium named in your honor!"

But know that the selection committee and the man that sits at the top of the pyramid already has the winner in mind.
Great post, and spot on. What many are missing is that public funds were used by cities, states, etc. to make these bids. And politicians are terrible business people most of the time. Their ability to consider whether the investment is worthwhile and act accordingly is missing.

 
Old 11-29-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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Great post, and spot on. What many are missing is that public funds were used by cities, states, etc. to make these bids. And politicians are terrible business people most of the time. Their ability to consider whether the investment is worthwhile and act accordingly is missing.

Exactly. And just provides more support to the fact that all hither and yond, non-qualified cities should refrain from putting forth the energy and financial resources required for a bid that they will not win. Protecting them from themselves.
 
Old 11-29-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Mt. Airy
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Exactly. And just provides more support to the fact that all hither and yond, non-qualified cities should refrain from putting forth the energy and financial resources required for a bid that they will not win. Protecting them from themselves.
San Jose bowed out because they didn't see it as something that they felt would be beneficial to the city. That's the rare case where politicians are really thinking. Although San Jose is also not economically desperate.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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San Jose bowed out because they didn't see it as something that they felt would be beneficial to the city. That's the rare case where politicians are really thinking. Although San Jose is also not economically desperate.
Wasn't that San Antonio? Or was it both?
 
Old 11-30-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Mt. Airy
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Wasn't that San Antonio? Or was it both?
Not sure, but I remember reading this:

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“For the most part, these subsidies are a bad deal for taxpayers,” he said on “Varney & Co.” “And when you have cities throughout the country that are all in a bidding war, taxpayers throughout the country really lose.”
San Jose mayor refuses to bid to be Amazon's new HQ | Fox Business
 
Old 11-30-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Wasn't that San Antonio? Or was it both?
Correct, San Antonio opted not to compete for HQ2.

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“We’ve long been impressed by Amazon and its bold view of the future,” they wrote. “Given this, it’s hard to imagine that a forward-thinking company like Amazon hasn’t already selected its preferred location. And, if that’s the case, then this public process is, intentionally or not, creating a bidding war between amongst states and cities. Sure, we have a competitive toolkit of incentives, but blindly giving away the farm isn’t our style.”

https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-dai...io-amazon-hq2/
Bolded, they're probably right about that.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Correct, San Antonio opted not to compete for HQ2.



Bolded, they're probably right about that.
SA would've never been picked. So they took the lazy way out. Common place for that city.
 
Old 11-30-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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SA would've never been picked. So they took the lazy way out. Common place for that city.
How is it lazy to not waste your time?
 
Old 11-30-2017, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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How is it lazy to not waste your time?
I think what Gaylord may mean is that San Antonio is the least aggressive and progressive big city in Texas when it comes to competing for new businesses.
 
Old 12-01-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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My friend just sent me the video Charlotte leaders pitched to Amazon. It's freakin awful.

Charlotte won't hear for a while if it makes Amzon HQ2 shortlist | Charlotte Observer
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