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New York City 16 3.10%
Greater Boston 32 6.20%
Philly 38 7.36%
DC/N. Virginia 50 9.69%
Raleigh/NC Research Triangle 32 6.20%
Austin 48 9.30%
San Francisco/Bay Area/Silicon Valley 13 2.52%
Baltimore 11 2.13%
Toronto 33 6.40%
Pittsburgh 35 6.78%
Chicago 99 19.19%
Atlanta 109 21.12%
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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You literally have a better chance of dying in a car crash than being murdered in DC or Philly.

You have a 0.155% chance of dying in a car crash.

Therefore, car centric cities like Houston, Dalls, Atlanta, etc. are actually the most dangerous!!!

 
Old 09-14-2017, 09:55 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Amazon doesn't care about crime itself nor does it care about public schools, transit, or pedestrian friendly cities. These issues don't effect the corporation itself but it does effect it's workforce. If they were just trying to get autoworkers or kitchen help it wouldn't matter but it is trying to get very well educated and skilled workers who can get a very high paying job in any city they damn well please so Amazon must have other enticements that lure those precious workers.

Part of these enticements is not only pay and work environment but also quality of life. They know they must be in a city that offers a high quality of life for them and their families so they will be more easily get those workers and, equally importantly, keep them over the long term.

The quality of life in a city is determined by many things and crime and safety is a major component of that. Having a city that is liveable, vibrant, and safe is not only a social benefit but also a real economic advantage.

I am NOT saying that Chicago or Philly could not get Amazon but their high crime rates {and their reputations for it} are one of their biggest obstacles.
 
Old 09-14-2017, 10:26 PM
 
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Sure, but not a large enough difference for it to make a difference for a company.

Current 2017 homicide rates:

PHL: 13.7 per 100,000
DC: 11.6 per 100,000

No company is saying, our employee has a 0.0137% chance of being murdered in Philadelphia, VS. a 0.0116% chance of being murdered in DC... LOL
True, but perception is reality and most people believe DC is safer than Philadelphia.
 
Old 09-14-2017, 11:06 PM
 
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Amazon doesn't care about crime itself nor does it care about public schools, transit, or pedestrian friendly cities. These issues don't effect the corporation itself but it does effect it's workforce. If they were just trying to get autoworkers or kitchen help it wouldn't matter but it is trying to get very well educated and skilled workers who can get a very high paying job in any city they damn well please so Amazon must have other enticements that lure those precious workers.

Part of these enticements is not only pay and work environment but also quality of life. They know they must be in a city that offers a high quality of life for them and their families so they will be more easily get those workers and, equally importantly, keep them over the long term.

The quality of life in a city is determined by many things and crime and safety is a major component of that. Having a city that is liveable, vibrant, and safe is not only a social benefit but also a real economic advantage.

I am NOT saying that Chicago or Philly could not get Amazon but their high crime rates {and their reputations for it} are one of their biggest obstacles.
Chicago or Philly's crime rate does not affect your average resident, only really affecting those in the neighborhoods that have those problems. In Chicago, the crime in Austin or Englewood is far removed from the general populous and its 50 plus million tourists. The COL in the rest of the areas which are very nice allows for a great quality of life, and whether it be on the north shore, the north side or some of the affluent western suburbs such as Hinsdale and Oakbrook, the money they will be making will go far. To me, a quality of life where housing is so scarce and expensive forcing people in apartments or lesser neighborhoods is a far bigger problem. Seattle is at that tipping point, and cities such as Boston, NY, DC and Denver are having housing cost and scarcity issues that will affect their general livability.Now THAT is a problem that will affect getting and keeping workers.

Chicago has a reputation of being vibrant and liveable, and safety is an issue in areas far from where people live and work on a daily basis.
 
Old 09-14-2017, 11:44 PM
 
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Let's get the obvious out of the way first, Amazon likely wants an east coast headquarters. So this rules out west coast cities - Vancouver, SF, and LA.

Amazon would likely prefer to be in the EST time zone for its second HQ. Denver is MDT. AKA it's too far west. So out goes Denver.

Then you rule out the randy cities, your Kansas City, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Nashville, Ottawa, Montreal (language reasons), Pittsburg, and Detroit.

So that leaves: Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, NYC, Toronto, Washington, and Atlanta.

We can rule out:

Boston - As others have mentioned, it's a costly labor market that's stretched thin, with no space for development of this size close to the core.

NYC - Similar issues to Boston.

Washington - Amazon in a government town?

And we're left with Philadelphia, Chicago, Toronto, and Atlanta. This I think will come down who gives the biggest incentives. Chicago's dire financial state is a disadvantage. Philly is also unlikely but could be the wild card.

So Toronto or Atlanta.

Some will cite Toronto being in Canada as a disadvantage, but Amazon specified "North America" in the RFP. Heck it might be a hint. If they wanted to limit it to the US, they would have specified only the US.

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Old 09-15-2017, 12:01 AM
 
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True, but perception is reality and most people believe DC is safer than Philadelphia.
DC has been ranked more dangerous than Philly in 2016, 2015, 2014 etc and that is a fact. Philly has always been safer than DC historically, with only 2017 being the exception so far.

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Old 09-15-2017, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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True, but perception is reality and most people believe DC is safer than Philadelphia.
There's no unclear perception in regards to DC's height restrictions on buildings. That fact alone is a big disadvantage for DC over major cities in competition for Amazon. No company wants to be pigeonholed when it comes to having the option to construct future high rises.
 
Old 09-15-2017, 01:16 AM
 
Location: BC Canada
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If crime is not going to be an issue then I wouldn't count out a major city that isn't even on the list........Cleveland.

Cleveland's downtown is actually nicer and more vibrant than similar sized cities, it has excellent universities, a multicultural environment, is VERY affordable, is in an Eastern time zone, is a progressive place, has a good central location to the Mid-West, Atlantic Seaboard, and Eastern Canada as well as having a port on the Great Lakes and good rail connections. Cleveland also boasts a thriving arts, cultural, and music scene that no similar sized city could match and an urban character that is appealing. Hopkins is a good airport and with one of the best downtown to airport rail connections in NA where the station is literally underneath the main terminal. Cleveland's transit is general vastly superior to most comparatively sized US cities with 3 LRT, 2 BRT, and one subway line.

Cleveland maybe a sleeper that other cities underestimate to their peril.
 
Old 09-15-2017, 06:22 AM
 
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Let's get the obvious out of the way first, Amazon likely wants an east coast headquarters. So this rules out west coast cities - Vancouver, SF, and LA.

Amazon would likely prefer to be in the EST time zone for its second HQ. Denver is MDT. AKA it's too far west. So out goes Denver.

Then you rule out the randy cities, your Kansas City, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Nashville, Ottawa, Montreal (language reasons), Pittsburg, and Detroit.

So that leaves: Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, NYC, Toronto, Washington, and Atlanta.

We can rule out:

Boston - As others have mentioned, it's a costly labor market that's stretched thin, with no space for development of this size close to the core.

NYC - Similar issues to Boston.

Washington - Amazon in a government town?

And we're left with Philadelphia, Chicago, Toronto, and Atlanta. This I think will come down who gives the biggest incentives. Chicago's dire financial state is a disadvantage. Philly is also unlikely but could be the wild card.

So Toronto or Atlanta.

Some will cite Toronto being in Canada as a disadvantage, but Amazon specified "North America" in the RFP. Heck it might be a hint. If they wanted to limit it to the US, they would have specified only the US.
First, I wouldn't assume anything when it comes to where Amazon does and doesn't want their new HQ2 to be located. Second, Chicago is in the Central Time Zone, so it would have been eliminated early on in your hypothetical "process of elimination". Third, PittsburgH, has an "h" at the end of it, it still amazes me how many people spell it wrong, to this day.
 
Old 09-15-2017, 06:30 AM
 
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Amazon doesn't care about crime itself nor does it care about public schools, transit, or pedestrian friendly cities. These issues don't effect the corporation itself but it does effect it's workforce. If they were just trying to get autoworkers or kitchen help it wouldn't matter but it is trying to get very well educated and skilled workers who can get a very high paying job in any city they damn well please so Amazon must have other enticements that lure those precious workers.

Part of these enticements is not only pay and work environment but also quality of life. They know they must be in a city that offers a high quality of life for them and their families so they will be more easily get those workers and, equally importantly, keep them over the long term.

The quality of life in a city is determined by many things and crime and safety is a major component of that. Having a city that is liveable, vibrant, and safe is not only a social benefit but also a real economic advantage.

I am NOT saying that Chicago or Philly could not get Amazon but their high crime rates {and their reputations for it} are one of their biggest obstacles.
Because gentrification would surely ramp up in whichever city Amazon chooses, just its very presence would help to significantly curtail crime and improve schools.

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There's no unclear perception in regards to DC's height restrictions on buildings. That fact alone is a big disadvantage for DC over major cities in competition for Amazon. No company wants to be pigeonholed when it comes to having the option to construct future high rises.
There's NoVA and the Maryland 'burbs.
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