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View Poll Results: Where?
New York City 16 3.10%
Greater Boston 32 6.20%
Philly 38 7.36%
DC/N. Virginia 50 9.69%
Raleigh/NC Research Triangle 32 6.20%
Austin 48 9.30%
San Francisco/Bay Area/Silicon Valley 13 2.52%
Baltimore 11 2.13%
Toronto 33 6.40%
Pittsburgh 35 6.78%
Chicago 99 19.19%
Atlanta 109 21.12%
Voters: 516. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-21-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Mt. Airy
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Why do you guys always pair nova/DC as if nova is synonymous with DC? They couldnt be more far apart in development patterns. D.C. is urban while 99% of nova is a soulless suburb void of culture and character which is what Amazon stated they want in their RFP.
Same metro. You can get on at a NOVA metro stop and be in DC in 10 mins...

And NOVA has urban nodes/cities. Not all of it is Woodbridge (for example).

 
Old 09-21-2017, 11:56 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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3) New York City
Pros-THE US city to be in, in terms of an HQ. Access to anything and everything--huge impact.
Cons-Cost, cost, cost. Rent way high, and a small fish in a gigantic pond.
My guess is that NYC would be out of the running unless the city government gave them a special package/tax deal. Judging by Amazon's way of doing business, NYC's con, "cost, cost, cost" is just outside their business model. They are not a 'spend money to make money' company. Their profits com from leveraging economies of scale to lower overhead.


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1) Atlanta
Pros-Logical geographically, low cost, booming, world's busiest airport, access to millenial "techie" types, with Georgia Tech right there as well.
Cons-not many. Quite possibly "too big" of a city? If Amazon wants a smaller, growing, dynamic city in order to be the "big fish in the pond," could pass Atlanta up.
This is where I would put my money. Atlanta may be a cliché of current business dynamism, but for good reason.
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Why do you guys always pair nova/DC as if nova is synonymous with DC? They couldnt be more far apart in development patterns. D.C. is urban while 99% of nova is a soulless suburb void of culture and character which is what Amazon stated they want in their RFP.

There's also a place called Maryland which actually gave the land for our Nations capital that has far more places that are urban with character than nova in the D.C. area (Montgomery, Prince George's) and Baltimore area.
Actually, I was just going to put NOVA, since where in DC proper will Bezos find enough space to build his HQ2 campus, isn't there a height restriction in the capital city. I guess he could just level the ghettos in DC, but I don't think his liberal friends might like that one!
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:13 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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Washington, Boston, and Toronto's biggest drawbacks are the CoL.

All 3 are liberal/progressive cities and in progressive states/provinces which definitely hurts Atlanta and Dallas as both are in very conservative states.

Toronto's chances are the hardest to pin down. Yes the CoL is high but it checks every other box in spades. It has so much going for it it's hard to list as well as an excellent international reputation which is crucial for getting international workers. This is part of the reason that Toronto Pearson has the second largest amount of non-NA passengers in NA after JFK.

The interesting issue is being in Canada. Getting US workers would be easy and despite the chat that getting across the border is difficult, the reality is that it's the same amount of time as boarding in NY to get to Seattle. With the express USA/Canada card, immigration is a complete breeze and all of the workers will {probably forced} to get it. Crossing the border is a hyped up non-issue.

The political situation in the US could be difficult but at the same time be a benefit. Bezos, Amazon, and nearly all tech giants absolutely HATE Trump and his policies especially on immigration and picking Toronto could be a much enjoyed and like sticking a pin in the eye of Trump. Toronto offers some real financial benefits as well due to Canada having a corporate tax rate 40% below the US, the dollar "subsidy" and Canada having a far superior health/education/social service network which reduces corporate expenses such as extended medical.
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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Same metro. You can get on at a NOVA metro stop and be in DC in 10 mins...

And NOVA has urban nodes/cities. Not all of it is Woodbridge (for example).
OK well then the proper statement would be D.C. Maryland and Va, You can literally step outside your highrise in Silver Spring and be in D.C. in less an a millisecond no metro required.
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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Actually, I was just going to put NOVA, since where in DC proper will Bezos find enough space to build his HQ2 campus, isn't there a height restriction in the capital city. I guess he could just level the ghettos in DC, but I don't think his liberal friends might like that one!
There are places Amazon could build in D.C. proper and not have to "level the ghetto" and still have room left over, they just couldnt build as tall as Seattle. Dont think nova is comparable to Seattle if someone is looking for an "equal" headquaters, no history, no historic architecture, no culture (save for Alexandria but they would have to level half of it anyways to be that close to the historic part) and the address definitely wont have any cachet. There's a reason Kirsten Gillibrand called Arlington the soulless suburb and even Bezos' Washington Post says she shouldn't apologize for it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.5670cb8f99fb

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Old 09-21-2017, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Washington, Boston, and Toronto's biggest drawbacks are the CoL.

All 3 are liberal/progressive cities and in progressive states/provinces which definitely hurts Atlanta and Dallas as both are in very conservative states.
I think this is a somewhat overrated standard. Both Texas and Georgia are extremely progressive and successful at attracting diverse new businesses to their states. Including businesses in industries that contain traditionally liberal viewpoints and workforces (ie. tech and entertainment).
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Philly is not a left-field pick, by people who actually listen to Amazon's list of needs, it's considered a prime contender.
Forbes is the only major media outlet that is advocating for Philadelphia (and Slate, though it's only a contender in that article).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/modeled.../#200b472a2624

Every other major outlet outside of the Delaware Valley seems to have narrowed it down to either Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Dallas, Denver, New York City, Toronto, or Washington D.C. Philly is still most definitely a left-field pick, even if it's a logical one. A bad reputation is a hard thing to overcome in the age of instant media, and the Census' recent report of Philly being the poorest major city in the country certainly isn't helping.
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Forbes is the only major media outlet that is advocating for Philadelphia (and Slate, though it's only a contender in that article).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/modeled.../#200b472a2624

Every other major outlet outside of the Delaware Valley seems to have narrowed it down to either Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Dallas, Denver, New York City, Toronto, or Washington D.C. Philly is still most definitely a left-field pick, even if it's a logical one. A bad reputation is a hard thing to overcome in the age of instant media, and the Census' recent report of Philly being the poorest major city in the country certainly isn't helping.
I don't think anybody has a credible list. It could be Rochester, NY for all we know.
 
Old 09-21-2017, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Denver
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OK well then the proper statement would be D.C. Maryland and Va, You can literally step outside your highrise in Silver Spring and be in D.C. in less an a millisecond no metro required.
What does that have to do with DC being paired with Nova?
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