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New York City 16 3.10%
Greater Boston 32 6.20%
Philly 38 7.36%
DC/N. Virginia 50 9.69%
Raleigh/NC Research Triangle 32 6.20%
Austin 48 9.30%
San Francisco/Bay Area/Silicon Valley 13 2.52%
Baltimore 11 2.13%
Toronto 33 6.40%
Pittsburgh 35 6.78%
Chicago 99 19.19%
Atlanta 109 21.12%
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Old 09-29-2017, 03:45 PM
 
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Strong but not great international airport, urban but not urban compared to most of the competition, adequate (?) but not great rapid transit, would have to be mostly car, and affordable, but not really affordable housing compared to some of the competition. Don't use Seattle as a benchmark for housing costs, Seattle has become very expensive b/c of Amazon. Sounds great, and don't think others won't be offering the same. Without the tax breaks, NJ wouldn't even be on the radar as far as the RFP requirements.
North Jersey is more urban any competitor other than Chicago and Philly. It has all three NY area airports.

Edit: Amazon has to put it in Atlantic City, Camden, Trenton, Paterson or Passaic, NJ is not getting it. Someone else will offer massive tax breaks too.

 
Old 09-29-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Strong but not great international airport, urban but not urban compared to most of the competition, adequate (?) but not great rapid transit, would have to be mostly car, and affordable, but not really affordable housing compared to some of the competition. Don't use Seattle as a benchmark for housing costs, Seattle has become very expensive b/c of Amazon. Sounds great, and don't think others won't be offering the same. Without the tax breaks, NJ wouldn't even be on the radar as far as the RFP requirements.
Newark Liberty International Airport is a great airport for airline service and connections. It's also a superhub for United. At best you'd only have 2-3 airports in all of America and Canada that are better serving as a global gateway, given that Liberty has the necessary demand to support prominent Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific flights, more so than anywhere else in America other than New York or Los Angeles. For example, it has more service destinations outside of America than Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and it goes to more continents of the world. It's also a United Hub with a plethora of international airliners. Also, it's Northern New Jersey, people can just go to New York and use the other two airports there as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark...tional_Airport

It also meets Amazon's requirement of having flights to Washington D.C., San Francisco, and Seattle. It doesn't need to fly to New York given that it's across the river from it. Both San Francisco and Washington D.C. also happen to be United Hubs by the way.

New Jersey has a pretty solid rapid transit network given its limited length, obviously still has some holes to fill as is the case with all of America, but it is one of the Top 5-7 in ridership. Also has extensive commuter rail network and light-rail in parts of Northern New Jersey. So where there isn't heavy rail, there most definitely is a pretty good bus network, or an adequate light-rail system or commuter rail system. Also, despite the heavy rail's limited size, it averages more riders per mile than anywhere other than New York's MTA system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership

Sure, you can say some American/Canadian cities have more urban city-like environments than Northern New Jersey but that list is contained to just Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Boston, and Washington D.C. and that's it. It's questionable if even some of those are ahead of (northern) New Jersey.

It's also incredibly affordable in parts of Northern New Jersey and Central Jersey, where you can still find and buy a house for around $300,000 - $350,000 or so and still have direct access into the best city in the world. Not just affordable by Seattle's standards, but (relatively speaking) affordable in general and especially compared to most of the other places that are considered strong contenders.

Yeah, I would say its argument is more compelling than 95% of Amazon RFP applicants, just by virtue of its amenities, location, and services. Of course other places will offer massive tax breaks too but known to date so far, these guys have offered the most that we know of right now ($5 Billion), and beyond the tax breaks, their advantages in most other aspects are pretty significant IMO. Also because of the high offer in tax incentives, other places will now be forced to offer more money to Amazon than they previously imagined doing so. This is not an area that will be taken lightly. It would actually be tough to turn down this offer, given that Amazon is pretty much getting HQ2 for free here. New Jersey meets most of their RFP criteria as great as anyone in America.

I'm not for or against New Jersey, I don't live in America, so I don't care much at all about this whole ordeal to begin with or who gets it. That being said, I'm just pointing out a compelling case when I see one. That's all I'm doing. New Jersey has a compelling case, a very compelling case, that quite frankly is more compelling than 95% or more of the places bidding against it.

If you live in a city vying for Amazon's HQ2, this process will assuredly be a slugfest as the level of competition is just insanely high. You'll have to bring your best A-game and find every bit of competitive advantage as you can find internally just to separate yourself from the field. I'm looking forward to seeing which city gets this, it will say a lot about Amazon, but also a lot about that place too. To me, personally, Chicago, Toronto, and Boston make a whole lot of sense but they have their work cut out for them in this.

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Old 09-29-2017, 04:44 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Strong but not great international airport, urban but not urban compared to most of the competition, adequate (?) but not great rapid transit, would have to be mostly car, and affordable, but not really affordable housing compared to some of the competition. Don't use Seattle as a benchmark for housing costs, Seattle has become very expensive b/c of Amazon. Sounds great, and don't think others won't be offering the same. Without the tax breaks, NJ wouldn't even be on the radar as far as the RFP requirements.
This is an inaccurate post about North Jersey. Newark International Airport is in the top 20 airports in the nation (and many cities have multiple airports) by passenger volume and by destinations. North Jersey is more urban than anywhere in the US save for the central core of a half dozen cities including NYC itself. The mass transit system within its borders (which doesn't make all that much sense since it is part of the NYC metro and makes use of those transit connections) is the next rank down from the usual six most urban cities.

North Jersey is a good fit for the RFP even without the overly generous tax breaks. It's why Amazon companies such as Jet.com and Audible are already based there. However, this massive incentive is ridiculous. NJ's finances are terrible and Chris Christie has basically run the state's coffers dry while having almost nothing to show for it.

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Old 09-29-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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NJ is urban in some ways, but that's not the same as a major downtown.
 
Old 09-29-2017, 10:04 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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The Rahmster is going balls to the wall with this. Pretty impressive how quickly he was able to consolidate backing from Chicago's elites on this.

https://chicago.curbed.com/chicago-d...o-rahm-emanuel
 
Old 09-30-2017, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Clemson, SC by way of Tyler,TX
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Really,,, you have incessantly posted about this as if it were coming to London...Atlanta is more than likely going to get it, enough with your somewhat bias toward the NE US..
According to who? I'll take the field over any city.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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If it's about to be based upon incentives.....North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and/or Alabama will probably end up luring the company. From a tech job standpoint, Georgia and Alabama would probably be front runners for the Deep South. Amazon's founder already has a huge project starting in North Alabama.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:22 AM
 
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If it's about to be based upon incentives.....North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and/or Alabama will probably end up luring the company. From a tech job standpoint, Georgia and Alabama would probably be front runners for the Deep South. Amazon's founder already has a huge project starting in North Alabama.
It comes down to which of the cities that meets Amazons criteria offers the best incentives. It will be based solely on incentives, nor will it be based solely on amenities.
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:24 AM
 
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This may help Amazon make a decision as well: https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cf...29=104&7090=70


https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cf...29=105&7090=70


https://www.nahb.org/en/research/hou...ity-index.aspx (the 4th section)
 
Old 09-30-2017, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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If it's about to be based upon incentives.....North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, and/or Alabama will probably end up luring the company. From a tech job standpoint, Georgia and Alabama would probably be front runners for the Deep South. Amazon's founder already has a huge project starting in North Alabama.
I posted previously the fact that Georgia and Texas are red states likely wonít affect their chances much. But, Alabama? After what Alabama chose for a Senate candidate last week. No way, Bezos makes major ties to that state with itís current political climate.

If the South is selected, itís likely a three horse race between Atlanta, Austin and Dallas.
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