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Old 09-14-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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So I'm mostly from Raleigh. Lived in Atlanta for ~5 years, moved back home Dec '16. I'm single, male, 30 years old, work in software development.



Without going into too much detail, moving back to Raleigh may have been the right decision at the time to deal with some things, but I don't think I can stay here permanently - being in my hometown for too long at this point just has too much baggage from various things in the past. Add in trouble reconnecting after having been away so long and it gets worse. So I am seriously thinking about moving early next year.



Here is a list of what's important:

- A somewhat large city with a variety of things to do. Like no smaller than Charlotte or Austin.
- Some arts and culture and a decent amount of young people into that sort of thing. The minimum is that there should be a professional symphony (which rules out Austin, which to be honest didn't impress me much anyway when I visited last year). Good museums and theater are nice too. This stuff doesn't need to all be top-tier, just available.
- Relatedly, should get a decent number of touring bands.
- Good tech job opportunities. I'll say that neither startup culture nor huge corporations are for me. My ideal is a stable mid-sized company, moderately professional environment but still flexible, and moderately up-to-date within a on new tech without always following the bleeding edge of the very newest.
- Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here, but a good place to raise kids. Now I am not married yet but plan to be in the next few years, with children following eventually. Also, part of the reason I want to leave Raleigh is that I have too much baggage from my own childhood to see myself with a family here. And relatedly, somewhere it wouldn't be too hard to find someone to match with and marry (yes, I realize modern dating is hard everywhere).
- Good weather. I can deal with heat or cold, but can't deal with lots of sunless days at a time. This probably rules out Chicago, Minneapolis, and Seattle.
- Not super expensive. There is some flexibility here because IT pays well, but certainly not New York or San Francisco level. (This probably rules out all of California).
- A variety of good food, especially at the cheap-to-medium end.



Secondarily, these are nice but less essential:

- Diverse, not overly segregated.
- A cultural change from the southeast.
- Decent local music scene, particularly jazz. I am a bit of a musician myself (not jazz), though just as a hobby and I mostly only do open mics.
- Politically center-ish.
- Decent public transit.
- A city with some history.
- A large number of Catholics. I am one and practice it seriously. Can live with a smaller number, but wouldn't hurt (would help with the getting married thing too).
- A good airport.
- Some level of outdoor stuff, if not in the city then a reasonable drive. I am not super outdoorsy (though in good shape) so it's not essential, but it's nice to have the option when the mood strikes.



So here is what I'm looking at right now:

- Charlotte - Main advantage here is within a few hours of family, both immediate and extended.
- Denver - Also have family near here, though some may move in a year or two.
- Dallas/Fort Worth - Meets most of my criteria. It does have a reputation for ostentatious materialism, but if I put up with it in Atlanta I can do it here right?
- Philly - I like this city but am worried about job prospects.
- Back to Atlanta - A little leery about this after the difficult experience of returning to my hometown after being away, but won't rule it out.



Anywhere else I should consider?

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Old 09-14-2017, 04:42 PM
 
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Houston might fit. Its huge but not as expensive as other cities. Fly home in 2.5 hours.

Vegas (Depending on your career field)
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Old 09-14-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Kansas City! Or even St Louis.

Seems like you're skipping over a lot of good Midwest cities.
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Old 09-14-2017, 06:21 PM
 
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So I'm mostly from Raleigh. Lived in Atlanta for ~5 years, moved back home Dec '16. I'm single, male, 30 years old, work in software development.



Without going into too much detail, moving back to Raleigh may have been the right decision at the time to deal with some things, but I don't think I can stay here permanently - being in my hometown for too long at this point just has too much baggage from various things in the past. Add in trouble reconnecting after having been away so long and it gets worse. So I am seriously thinking about moving early next year.



Here is a list of what's important:

- A somewhat large city with a variety of things to do. Like no smaller than Charlotte or Austin.
- Some arts and culture and a decent amount of young people into that sort of thing. The minimum is that there should be a professional symphony (which rules out Austin, which to be honest didn't impress me much anyway when I visited last year). Good museums and theater are nice too. This stuff doesn't need to all be top-tier, just available.
- Relatedly, should get a decent number of touring bands.
- Good tech job opportunities. I'll say that neither startup culture nor huge corporations are for me. My ideal is a stable mid-sized company, moderately professional environment but still flexible, and moderately up-to-date within a on new tech without always following the bleeding edge of the very newest.
- Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here, but a good place to raise kids. Now I am not married yet but plan to be in the next few years, with children following eventually. Also, part of the reason I want to leave Raleigh is that I have too much baggage from my own childhood to see myself with a family here. And relatedly, somewhere it wouldn't be too hard to find someone to match with and marry (yes, I realize modern dating is hard everywhere).
- Good weather. I can deal with heat or cold, but can't deal with lots of sunless days at a time. This probably rules out Chicago, Minneapolis, and Seattle.
- Not super expensive. There is some flexibility here because IT pays well, but certainly not New York or San Francisco level. (This probably rules out all of California).
- A variety of good food, especially at the cheap-to-medium end.



Secondarily, these are nice but less essential:

- Diverse, not overly segregated.
- A cultural change from the southeast.
- Decent local music scene, particularly jazz. I am a bit of a musician myself (not jazz), though just as a hobby and I mostly only do open mics.
- Politically center-ish.
- Decent public transit.
- A city with some history.
- A large number of Catholics. I am one and practice it seriously. Can live with a smaller number, but wouldn't hurt (would help with the getting married thing too).
- A good airport.
- Some level of outdoor stuff, if not in the city then a reasonable drive. I am not super outdoorsy (though in good shape) so it's not essential, but it's nice to have the option when the mood strikes.



So here is what I'm looking at right now:

- Charlotte - Main advantage here is within a few hours of family, both immediate and extended.
- Denver - Also have family near here, though some may move in a year or two.
- Dallas/Fort Worth - Meets most of my criteria. It does have a reputation for ostentatious materialism, but if I put up with it in Atlanta I can do it here right?
- Philly - I like this city but am worried about job prospects.
- Back to Atlanta - A little leery about this after the difficult experience of returning to my hometown after being away, but won't rule it out.



Anywhere else I should consider?
Charleston, Tampa, Savannah.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:13 PM
 
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Louisville, KY fits the bill pretty well. The biggest thing it'd be lacking is a major public transit network, although it has plenty of bus routes if that's what you're needing.

It's VERY affordable for a large metro. All four seasons, however the winters usually aren't harsh at all. Decent food scene, multiple music festivals and the KFC Yum Center brings in some major bands/concerts. The tech industry isn't huge in Louisville, yet, but Louisville, especially downtown is hugely on the rise (tons of construction going on).

Some really great, family oriented neighborhoods as well. Plenty of Catholics, Catholic Churches, schools, etc... I think it could work pretty well
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Old 09-15-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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So I'm mostly from Raleigh. Lived in Atlanta for ~5 years, moved back home Dec '16. I'm single, male, 30 years old, work in software development.




- Good weather. I can deal with heat or cold, but can't deal with lots of sunless days at a time. This probably rules out Chicago, Minneapolis, and Seattle.




Anywhere else I should consider?
Minneapolis is actually quite sunny. It's part of the reason it gets so chilly there as there isn't the same cloud dome to trap in some warmth. As compared to Great Lakes cities that get stuck under the dome from late November to March.

If you can handle the chill you should look into it
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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H-Town
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:24 PM
 
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A lot of cities would fit your criteria.

Of the ones you listed, I would pick ...

-Philly first, because there is a significant Asian presence and I happen to be Asian. There's karaoke bars and lots of good Asian food. It is also easy to travel to Washington DC and NYC from there, and there are outdoor activities within reach. Public transportation is decent and it's a very cheap city to live in.

-Denver. I've never lived there, but have visited (briefly) and love to ski.

-Atlanta. It wouldn't be a top choice for several reasons, but I have been there and it's a pretty decent city.

-Charlotte is too bland and homogenous for me and I've never been to Dallas and it doesn't strike me as a place that would be for me.

Anyway, as you can see it's all personal preference.

Ultimately, it might be smart to move somewhere where you know some people. 30 is a good age to go out and start a new social network, but still ... it might be tough.

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Old 09-17-2017, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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I wouldn't rule out Chicago. Yes, winters are cold some years, but its bad weather is overrated. Of all the cities you mention, Chicago is easily the most robust in the arts, culture, history, etc. It's a world city that will probably blow you away.

Outside of that, I like the St. Louis suggestion. An older city, 4 seasons, a bit milder than Chicago.

Houston would work also, if you don't mind oppressive heat.
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:50 PM
 
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Phoenix?
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