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Old 03-16-2008, 11:02 AM
 
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Hi all,

It is time for me to decide where to move permanently (through company) between US(LA) and Australia(Sydney) from Germany.

I would like your advise on which place better in
schooling(for a 4 year kid),
taxation and other contributions(social security, medical insurance etc.)
Job security
Permanent Residenship
Cost of Living(housing, transportation etc.)
Genrl. living conditions
and of course the economy
Certainly there would be other factors too which i may have missed out.

Appreciate your feedback for me to make the right decision.

Thank you.
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Old 03-16-2008, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Frankenmuth, Michigan, US. Most people there would be very happy to hear you come from Germany, and I'm sure you could get a job to pay the bills, but getting a good job would take a long time, considering Michigan's economy is weak right now. It's a small town, in a county with about 200,000 people. Cost of living is cheap, probably among the cheapest in the U.S. Schools are good, and crime is pretty low in Frankenmuth. There's a strong German heritage, and many of the older ones still speak German.
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Old 03-16-2008, 02:20 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The US overall would have lower taxes (less socialism), more freedom (once you're a citizen or at least permanent resident and not just visiting), lower cost of living, etc. But it all varies greatly by location. In general, the bigger cities and more developed areas (like NYC, NJ, DC, MA, parts of CA, etc.) are expensive, less free, etc. They have better paying jobs but the cost of living eats that up quick. I doubt a German would have trouble feeling welcome in most of the US, unless you attacked American culture or something like that.
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Old 03-16-2008, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Chariton, Iowa
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Less socialism? I don't know, Australia's a fairly politically conservative place lately. I'd say they have no more "socialism" than the US.

I love the good ol' US and A as much as the next guy, but I have to lean Australia on this one.

I think the US is headed for a rough patch for the next 2-5 years. It might be better to ride out the coming recession in a place like Australia. Schools and cost of living I'd wager are comparable to the US. Don't know on the other issues. Taxes might be a little higher, but of all the things you mentioned I'd consider that the least pressing issue.

Buy some sunscreen and practice your "G'day"!
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Old 03-16-2008, 11:25 PM
 
Location: New York
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Frankenmuth, Michigan, US. Most people there would be very happy to hear you come from Germany, and I'm sure you could get a job to pay the bills, but getting a good job would take a long time, considering Michigan's economy is weak right now. It's a small town, in a county with about 200,000 people. Cost of living is cheap, probably among the cheapest in the U.S. Schools are good, and crime is pretty low in Frankenmuth. There's a strong German heritage, and many of the older ones still speak German.
Its between LA and Sydney why are you bringing Frakenmuth into the conversation, even if you she was accepting offers of other places I can assure there are much better places for her then Michigan.
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Old 03-17-2008, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Hi all,

It is time for me to decide where to move permanently (through company) between US(LA) and Australia(Sydney) from Germany.

I would like your advise on which place better in
schooling(for a 4 year kid),
taxation and other contributions(social security, medical insurance etc.)
Job security
Permanent Residenship
Cost of Living(housing, transportation etc.)
Genrl. living conditions
and of course the economy
Certainly there would be other factors too which i may have missed out.

Appreciate your feedback for me to make the right decision.

Thank you.
The differences between U.S. and Australia are of small degrees in most of these areas. I think the biggest difference is going to be quality of life; namely, Los Angeles has more poverty, violence and other general quality-of-life issues than Sydney. You'd probably end up living in a suburb rather than the city proper if you chose L.A. but you'd still have those issues staring you in the face. I don't know what traffic and public transportation are like in Sydney, but traffic in L.A. is horrible and the public transportation system woefully inadequate.

Another difference might be education. I don't know what the public schools are like in Australia in general or Sydney in particular... but here in the States, it's safe to say that people are increasingly losing confidence in our public education system. The school systems are particularly awful in large cities, and Los Angeles is no exception. Again, it might not be that big of an issue if you end up in a suburb rather than the city proper; many suburbs have very good school districts. But you definitely have to look very carefully for a good school district because their quality varies so widely -- you can't just pick some place to live and then put your child in school and be confident that it's a good quality school. Lousy school districts is the major reason why so many middle-class families leave the cities and move to the suburbs once they have school-age children.

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Old 03-17-2008, 05:18 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Its between LA and Sydney why are you bringing Frakenmuth into the conversation, even if you she was accepting offers of other places I can assure there are much better places for her then Michigan.
Well that's assuming he is set on those two choices, there are better ones in both countries than what he listed.
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The OP flat-out states it's for a job transfer. Job transfers usually mean you move to where the job is, not to whatever city you want to go to. I don't understand why anyone's confused about why the OP specified the two cities (s)he specified.
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:02 AM
 
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I understand the OP is referring to Los Angeles or Sydney concerning this job transfer. I would decide this way. If the move is going to be temporary, I would make the choice based on which city was going to be best for my career. If the move is going to be a permanent move in your life, especially if you plan on becoming a citizen of where you move too, I woud say Australia. I think you would be most welcomed in the USA, however I don't feel this country is that attractive socially, economically, and our crime rates are nothing less than disgusting. Its a wonderful country but I believe in reality, for someone that is leaving their home country for another, reality has too be brought into the picture. Australia and I have been there, is a much more civil country, problems like anywhere, but on a much smaller scale. Base your move on whether this a temporary or permanent move in your life.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:28 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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The OP flat-out states it's for a job transfer. Job transfers usually mean you move to where the job is, not to whatever city you want to go to. I don't understand why anyone's confused about why the OP specified the two cities (s)he specified.
He also said "permanently" so this will affect his life long after he has this particular job.
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