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Old 10-04-2017, 10:24 AM
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Location: Miami
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Birmingham, Jacksonville, Louisville, Richmond, Columbus, Buffalo, Baltimore, San Juan, Kingston and etc. on the West Coast. I swear, the average West Coaster wouldn't know where most of these places were even if you gave them a map.
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Old 10-04-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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Birmingham, Jacksonville, Louisville, Richmond, Columbus, Buffalo, Baltimore, San Juan, Kingston and etc. on the West Coast. I swear, the average West Coaster wouldn't know where most of these places were even if you gave them a map.
That doesn't speak very highly of them. I wonder if that's true??
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:58 AM
 
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Winnipeg is pretty big but no one in USA ever hears about it.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Greensboro
Definitely not!

In North Carolina, Greensboro's profile is right behind Charlotte and Raleigh.....as it should be. Greensboro has the most well-known HBCU in the Carolinas, is known as a college town, is the heart Tobacco Road, etc etc. It is not forgotten about in-state. If any in-state city were a candidate for that it would be Winston...

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The real forgotten cities are those sizable cities that could anchor their own metros were they not overshadowed by larger cities (Newark, Fort Worth, Oakland); those cities that had a larger reputation and influence in decades or centuries past that is now shrunken (Norfolk, Hartford, Rochester); those "new" cities over 1 million that are overshadowed within their own states (Grand Rapids, Tucson, Tulsa). And this is just for cities over 1 million...
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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Winnipeg is pretty big but no one in USA ever hears about it.
Winnipeg has a hockey team and I hear about it a lot in the Washington DC area because of that and also in winter because of the weather. They love to show "clippers" coming in from central and western Canada that affect the east coast. I remember when they would blank out major Canadian cities on the weather maps of North America (including Lake Winnipeg, a huge lake in the center of Manitoba ), but now I see with better weather map technology Winnipeg is most always shown.

I am originally from Winnipeg and have lived in the US for 36 years. I have been surprised when people mention they heard of Winnipeg to me, if I tell them where I am from.

Winnipeg is also the mid point of the transcontinental railroad--so I have seen it mentioned on N Geographic, Travel Channel and Globetrotter when they do a story about Canada's railroads.

I also hear Winnipeg mentioned when they talk about the Polar Bears in Hudson Bay or good Canadian Fly-in Fishing Lodges. You must go to Winnipeg to make your connections.
I heard Jimmy Fallon mention Winnipeg in a joke.

Winnipeg doesn't have a high profile but its name occasionally comes up. I am attuned to hearing about it cause its home. It may have severe winters, but it was a wonderful place in which to grow up.
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Old 10-05-2017, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania USA
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One forgotten larger city is Springfield, MA, of which I know nothing about (I think it is referenced in the movie Blow as George Jung's hometown?). Its urban area population was over 621K as of 2010, making it larger than Albany, NY, and also it was an important manufacturing center in the 20th century, but I have hardly ever heard of it! Couple things that detract from it - there are a million Springfield's in nearly every state (34 states to be exact). Also, more obviously Boston casts a very long shadow over the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and much of greater New England as a whole. I checked some recent news on Springfield, and it looks like a huge area in the downtown is being redeveloped into a new hotel/casino. Interesting.

Another type of forgotten city - somewhat abandoned/majorly de-populated (kind of fascinating) - Welch, WV, which is located in McDowell County, WV (sadly having the lowest life expectancy of all US counties). Google street view shows much of the once densely populated town as having rather abnormally tall, but seemingly abandoned buildings.
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:25 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
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Not Oklahoma.
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Old 10-08-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Reno, NV
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Peoria, Illinois. Does anyone still use "will it play in Peoria" anymore?
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:21 PM
 
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One forgotten larger city is Springfield, MA, of which I know nothing about (I think it is referenced in the movie Blow as George Jung's hometown?). Its urban area population was over 621K as of 2010, making it larger than Albany, NY, and also it was an important manufacturing center in the 20th century, but I have hardly ever heard of it! Couple things that detract from it - there are a million Springfield's in nearly every state (34 states to be exact). Also, more obviously Boston casts a very long shadow over the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and much of greater New England as a whole. I checked some recent news on Springfield, and it looks like a huge area in the downtown is being redeveloped into a new hotel/casino. Interesting.

Another type of forgotten city - somewhat abandoned/majorly de-populated (kind of fascinating) - Welch, WV, which is located in McDowell County, WV (sadly having the lowest life expectancy of all US counties). Google street view shows much of the once densely populated town as having rather abnormally tall, but seemingly abandoned buildings.
Not surprised by Springfield having a bigger urban than Albany, as it is a bigger city and includes the Amherst/Northampton area. It has some bigger, urban suburbs like Chicopee, Holyoke and West Springfield.

It isnít also home to the Basketball Hall of Fame.
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Old 10-08-2017, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Detroit, Saint Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Cincinnati, and Milwaukee aren't really forgotten cities though.

Detroit is a really famous city worldwide, or should I say infamous worldwide. While not for positive reasons, it definitely isn't forgotten about. It has even become more famous in recent years due to its resurgent core area, it has in many ways become an example of a city that is literally uplifting itself from the ashes. Dan Gilbert's involvement in revitalizing the Downtown, Midtown, and in general core areas of Detroit have become a well known case study. Even my cousins in San Jose know about its core area boom and my cousins, unlike those of us on this forum, are not into city trends or city hobbies, so for it to get out to them means it is beginning to resonate with people in general.

Cleveland has arguably the best athlete in a generation that led them to an NBA title in 2016, all their games and television game viewership is pretty high. New Orleans is one of the country's most beloved tourist destinations and up until a few years ago, it was also a setting for a lot of television shows, movies, and commercials.

If you went to school in America then you know about Saint Louis because of Mark Twain, the Arch, and the industries that had led it to its large profile during the 1800s. Yes, Saint Louis' status in previous decades has diminished significantly but the city is not forgotten about. The Cardinals are still seen as the Gold Standard in the MLB, especially for a smaller market team.

Contrast Saint Louis' situation with Rochester's situation. Unlike Saint Louis which still gets talked about for landmarks and iconic structures, history, literature, and a few other things, Rochester doesn't get talked about at all. When was the last time you saw anyone even mentioned Rochester for sports, for nightlife, for food, for architecture, for shopping, for entertainment, for culture, for neighborhoods, for transit, for suburbs, for economy, for anything? I haven't ever seen it. The only time I see it talked about on this forum is when someone from there or someone living there brings it up. Yet the city has so much to offer and it doesn't even seem to get a look by outsiders. It's even worse in actual life, where the city essentially has an invisible profile. Rarely, if ever, brought up into discussions.

Now a place like Memphis or Rochester, yes definitely. For Rochester in particular, it has to work extra hard, primarily because it doesn't even have professional sports teams. So that one aspect that seems like a given for every other city with at least 1 professional sports team in the Big 5 sports leagues isn't present with Rochester.

Rochester is a pretty formidable city, has a PCSA in excess of 1 million people and is the location of a few major corporations that have their headquarters there in the area. Yet you have to go out of your way to just talk about the place, out of your way to bring it up into a discussion, because you don't then there is little to no chance of it being brought up by someone that has no connections to the place.

I would say it is a forgotten city. While Memphis has NBA, even its NBA team gets lowballed and has a low profile, even a few years back when they were strong contenders in the Western Conference, they were largely seen as passovers by people outside of Memphis. Memphis also has to deal with the reality that it was in the not too distant past the largest city and metropolis in Tennessee. That's no longer the case and likely never will be the case ever again. Nashville, in contrast, is a pretty well known and well regarded city in America, it's profile has upped its game immensely, especially this decade. It has left Memphis to a dark and solemn corner by itself.

In America, most people, especially on the Coasts and Chicago, look down on cities like Detroit and Cleveland. They're used as America's whipping boys everybody considers any Midwest city outside of Chicago "Flyover Country" thanks to a lot of stand up comics and YouTube. Detroit has a little more notoriety because of Motown while Cleveland is known for the river catching on fire in the 1960s.

When LeBron left Cleveland for Miami everybody kept saying he left because Cleveland sucked. It was relentless jokes When he came back to Cleveland it messed up their narrative; a lot of the national media didn't want him coming back to Cleveland because they know they would have to come up here to cover him. Now, that he's won a title in Cleveland they want him to go to L.A. A lot of the national media also feels that cities like Cleveland or Detroit deserve to have anything nice, or Cleveland don't deserve LeBron or a player of his caliber. The only reason San Jose doesn't get trashed is because it's a Bay Area city.

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