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Originally Posted by Texyn
A feeling of lack tends to become amplified when the object in question is so close yet so far from attainment. That is the situation with much of the South outside S FL when it comes to coconuts and other tender tropicals: so many of these plants would otherwise be growing profusely through the region, but can't, as even a single 32°F/0°C can kill them. A region right across the sea from North Africa shouldn't be dealing which such cold.
So many QOL issues of the region would be made easier to solve if the climate were such that these plants could grow:
For one, many of these tropical fruits contain great health benefits, which go a long way in preventing ailments like obesity, diabetes, etc that the region has (especially in the poor/rural areas hit the hardest). The potential increase in disease vectors like mosquitoes from the warmer winters would be counteracted by the increased winter dry-season to help limit standing water (since no cold fronts come down to draw up rains from the Gulf); not to mention, there will be even greater variety of bats and other insectivores that keep bug populations in check (since they can range in from the tropics).
It also would single-handedly eliminate all disasters in the region except hurricanes and floods. Ice storms, catastrophic tornadoes, hail, etc as seen in places inland in the region would become a thing of the past, because elimination of cold fronts means elimination pf the dynamics that bring such weather ailments.
The Southern wilderness gets to be even more bio-diverse than it already is (and also more exotic). Imagine the tropical mangroves of Florida growing in the swamps of Louisiana? Or boa constrictors and spider monkeys deep in the heart of Texas?
It can also be argued that real estate in places like S FL, and SoCal wouldn't be near as expensive, as there would be more land of warm winter weather spread around for the snowbirds to flock to. So less over-the-top condo developments in S FL that create income inequality, and limit the amount of untouched beach.
Essentially, the cold fronts limit the South from reaching its full potential, like making a A- when it could have been an A+. Elimination of those cold fronts can be the one good thing that comes out of anthropogenic global warming.
If you want coconut palms so bad, why don't you move to where they are? Miami/Ft Lauderdale would be a much better choice than Houston/Galveston. Better to go where what you want is than hope for something that will never happen, why I left NY
A feeling of lack tends to become amplified when the object in question is so close yet so far from attainment. That is the situation with much of the South outside S FL when it comes to coconuts and other tender tropicals: so many of these plants would otherwise be growing profusely through the region, but can't, as even a single 32°F/0°C can kill them. A region right across the sea from North Africa shouldn't be dealing which such cold.
So many QOL issues of the region would be made easier to solve if the climate were such that these plants could grow:
For one, many of these tropical fruits contain great health benefits, which go a long way in preventing ailments like obesity, diabetes, etc that the region has (especially in the poor/rural areas hit the hardest). The potential increase in disease vectors like mosquitoes from the warmer winters would be counteracted by the increased winter dry-season to help limit standing water (since no cold fronts come down to draw up rains from the Gulf); not to mention, there will be even greater variety of bats and other insectivores that keep bug populations in check (since they can range in from the tropics).
It also would single-handedly eliminate all disasters in the region except hurricanes and floods. Ice storms, catastrophic tornadoes, hail, etc as seen in places inland in the region would become a thing of the past, because elimination of cold fronts means elimination pf the dynamics that bring such weather ailments.
The Southern wilderness gets to be even more bio-diverse than it already is (and also more exotic). Imagine the tropical mangroves of Florida growing in the swamps of Louisiana? Or boa constrictors and spider monkeys deep in the heart of Texas?
It can also be argued that real estate in places like S FL, and SoCal wouldn't be near as expensive, as there would be more land of warm winter weather spread around for the snowbirds to flock to. So less over-the-top condo developments in S FL that create income inequality, and limit the amount of untouched beach.
Essentially, the cold fronts limit the South from reaching its full potential, like making a A- when it could have been an A+. Elimination of those cold fronts can be the one good thing that comes out of anthropogenic global warming.
It's not just cold snaps that kill coconut palms, but also the average temperature in the winter needs to be high enough.
Case in point, Bermuda. The record cold temperature of Bermuda 44F, and while they can grow coconut palms, the trees don't fruit. It's just too cold their in the winter.
So bottom line, eliminate cold fronts and there wouldn't be fruiting coconuts in Galveston or Jacksonville either.
If you want coconut palms so bad, why don't you move to where they are? Miami/Ft Lauderdale would be a much better choice than Houston/Galveston. Better to go where what you want is than hope for something that will never happen, why I left NY
South FL is one of many places I'm looking at regarding job prospects after graduate school. Thank you for asking.
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Originally Posted by SpringSnow
It's not just cold snaps that kill coconut palms, but also the average temperature in the winter needs to be high enough.
Case in point, Bermuda. The record cold temperature of Bermuda 44F, and while they can grow coconut palms, the trees don't fruit. It's just too cold their in the winter.
So bottom line, eliminate cold fronts and there wouldn't be fruiting coconuts in Galveston or Jacksonville either.
In earlier posts of this thread, I've shown that areas like Galveston and Jacksonville would well clear those average temp requirements (i.e 60.8F/16°C) if cold snaps were eliminated. Reason being that the torrid Gulf of Mexico, which sends many days of winter lows at/above 60F, would then have more control over the climate. Winter averages for those cities would obviously go up: http://www.city-data.com/forum/gener...l#post49737432 http://www.city-data.com/forum/gener...l#post49742199
In earlier posts of this thread, I've shown that areas like Galveston and Jacksonville would well clear those average temp requirements (i.e 60.8F/16°C)
Bermuda averages 64 (daily mean) during her coldest month. The coldest temperature recorded is 44F. The tree's still don't fruit.
Also both Galveston and Jacksonville are currently a long way from a daily mean of 60F. Galveston has a daily mean of just 55F in January. The average high (not daily mean) is 61F. You think eliminating cold snaps will bring up the daily mean by 5 degrees? I doubt it, but even if you do the situation will be similar to Bermuda, coconut palms without the coconuts.
Last edited by SpringSnow; 10-10-2017 at 06:32 AM..
Galveston has a daily mean of just 55F in January. The average high (not daily mean) is 61F. You think eliminating cold snaps will bring up the daily mean by 5 degrees?
Galveston also averages 16 days of lows at or above 60F during the three winter months. And when do those lows occur? In the lulls between cold snaps, when the Gulf has full control of the weather. Thus, its pretty clear that winter lows would almost always be 60F+ if Gulf flow was never interrupted by cold snaps; perhaps some occasional nights in the 50s and upper 40s.
They do not fruit Bermuda, 1 or two fruiting coconut palms under doted conditions notwithstanding. This is common knowledge for anyone whose been to Bermuda. Please post a pic of Coconut palms fruiting in Bermuda in the wild (not next to someone's house).
[*]For one, many of these tropical fruits contain great health benefits, which go a long way in preventing ailments like obesity, diabetes, etc that the region has
Coconuts and other tropical fruits prevent obesity? How's that working out in the coconut-growing islands?
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