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Old 10-16-2017, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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More then media.... is stereotyping of cities that hurt them most. If that city does not improve significantly enough to reverse it.

In PA Philly has had a regional stereotyping of "Philthadelphia". That still has some tarnish. But it still can Toray tout a growing skyline and downtown with a high professionals population. Cleveland's downtown still needs this larger upswing.

It isn't just National but regional that a city has to fight stereotyping either in its state and region alone. For Cleveland .... you complain gets media bashing still? I see or hear none of that in PA. Old decades ago events really are not relevant today. All know a burning river event..... decades ago. Has generations today .... it has no relevancy for them.

But what Cleveland lacks is ..... much news media coverage period outside of sports. It has a gentrifying core but you never hear of
- skyscraper projects or its skyline touted? That Hurts positive recognition.
- more nations worthy events like the 2016 Republican convention that should have had a HUGE MEDIA POSITIVE ADVERTIZING of the city in commercials at least?

Last big thing I heard was the Rock n Roll museum built downtown in Cleveland on the lakefront. That was looooong ago. Seems much more could have been built off of and opportunities missed in tourism coming to the city nabbing this museum?

Chicago went for promoting and building venues to promote tourism and won. TV shows even filmed there help recognition despite in news reporting of gangland shootings that does not hurt the city worst luckily? Since it is seen as limited as its bad neighborhoods effected and one race on race crime. Also political affiliation to Democrats and blamed politically for the rise of Obama some demonize and mock the city for .... to gun control as a political hate. Still the city has its bumming core that it can overcome most of these blemishes.

Overall Cleveland needs MORE NATIONAL EXPOSURE PERIOD. For more then a Ball game and winter lake-effect snow hammering it that I hear in wintertime weather reports in PA. Because storm fronts generally move west to east. For Cleveland's core ..... I'd like more of your top companies (in the suburbs) to invest in new downtown headquarters.... as a Chicago lured from its suburbs so many and more known for a GROWING SKYLINE other cities tout on C-D. So Cleveland can too.

Though you ask in this thread if CITIES IN GENERAL suffer media negativity? From your past post and threads? You clearly see Cleveland that way. But -- I don't see the media mocks or demeans your Cleveland in any significant way outside of sports wrangling? It just sees little there to mock or promote.

I want to see more being done and built in Cleveland to promote with the Rock n Roll museum it got then did not do much more to feed off of it with...... Even a Pittsburgh gets more even if not much more. Detroit gets much negativity. But at least you here its downtown is bouncing back more then you hear about Cleveland's? Is it really just the media's fault, or up to them to do the promoting of Cleveland more?

You're not gonna hear a lot about Cleveland living in PA just like I won't hear a lot about Philly or PA living in Cleveland. Of course, your Philly is gonna get more pub with Philly cheese steaks, Liberty Bell, Rocky and soul music so yes you guys are gonna get more media coverage. The media will push Philly as a hip and cool city. And, PA is considered more of an East Coast state than Ohio. Also, people hate the fact that the Rock Hall came to Cleveland especially people in New York and even some in Philly.

There have been articles written about Cleveland within the last year by the New York Times, the L.A. Times and Forbes Magazine. Also, a lot of professionals are moving Downtown and apartments and condos are being built as well. But, a lot of the media won't give it national exposure because it's hip, cool, glamorous, uber-liberal or uber-conservative. People like you and the media still see Cleveland still stuck in a time warp. If you don't think the media mocks or demeans Cleveland. Where have you been? A lot of comics have made fun of Cleveland over the years especially when LeBron left and took his talents to South Beach. A lot of them didn't even want him to come back to Cleveland because they knew they would have to come here in the winter time and cover him, and some don't like coming to Cleveland in June for The Finals. That's why they want him to go to L.A. next year. Plus, a certain group of people and the media need a city to say, "At least you're/we're not them" that's Cleveland. A city to put down to make yourself feel better or feel better about the city that you're living in.

A lot of the media and delegates were against the RNC being in Cleveland, but a lot of them changed their point of view after spending time in the city and praised it. But, they weren't gonna pump it because it wasn't in a glamour city or a city that they would've approved of. Also, social media highlights those dumb "Hastily Cleveland Tourism" videos on YouTube from the Cleveland comedian. So, a lot of people get their views on cities from either the media or social media. Cleveland is getting the national exposure, but it's getting exposure as being as a Rust Belt City that's declining and failed sports teams who's ranked for "The Worst of" on a lot of lists.

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Old 10-18-2017, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Yes! People believe those stupid lists. Affordable really means living in an ghetto to get by.
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Old 10-18-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Yes! People believe those stupid lists. Affordable really means living in an ghetto to get by.
Yes and no. Yes, people do believe a lot of the lists that these sites posts; to me a lot of the lists are subjective. I think some people put too much stock into them. But, affordable doesn't always mean living in the hood either. There are some nice homes in certain cities like Cleveland or Pittsburgh that are worth $100,000 while there's houses in California that are small and not in good areas that are worth $300,000.
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Old 10-18-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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Absolutely. Some cities are so overhyped and overplayed to death in the media, it's sickening. And in person, doesn't live up to that hype. Other cities need a better PR department. These places too often promote "excel spreadsheet qualities." They need to do more than just say "X # of Fortune 500 companies here" or "# of billionaires that live here." Add a little more spice and substance to their marketing.
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Old 10-18-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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Absolutely. Some cities are so overhyped and overplayed to death in the media, it's sickening. And in person, doesn't live up to that hype. Other cities need a better PR department. These places too often promote "excel spreadsheet qualities." They need to do more than just say "X # of Fortune 500 companies here" or "# of billionaires that live here." Add a little more spice and substance to their marketing.
Like this: https://youtu.be/a11dGiw-LXA

https://youtu.be/jBqFlAnjChs

or something more?
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Absolutely. Some cities are so overhyped and overplayed to death in the media, it's sickening. And in person, doesn't live up to that hype. Other cities need a better PR department. These places too often promote "excel spreadsheet qualities." They need to do more than just say "X # of Fortune 500 companies here" or "# of billionaires that live here." Add a little more spice and substance to their marketing.
Good points. What cities do you feel are overhyped and overplayed? Which cities you feel that are underrated and need more PR?
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Old 10-18-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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They should've included more of the non-economic qualities of Upstate NY, such as the nearby mountains, Lake Ontario, maybe a cool neighborhood or two. I did see some of it, but it was primarily economic. I actually see a lot of Upstate NY economic ads in Texas. They definitely emphasize the economic "excel spreadsheet" qualities more than say the natural beauty of the region. But maybe they have to. Upstate NY for far too long hasn't been viewed as an economically vibrant region and NY state in general is often portrayed as high taxed and business unfriendly. That's the perception so perhaps the "excel spreadsheet" qualities about airports, job growth, lower taxes, etc. is what will help improve the region's image.

I guess it depends on the city and state. Most people know about the job growth in Texas; however, only Austin is ever portrayed as having more than "excel spreadsheet" qualities. Read any Forbes top cities list and you're bound to see Dallas, Austin, and Houston listed as top places for jobs. However, only for Austin do they mention the city's personality, SXSW, etc. while only touting COL advantages for Dallas & Houston. That's where better PR is needed for those 2 cities.
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Old 10-18-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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Good points. What cities do you feel are overhyped and overplayed? Which cities you feel that are underrated and need more PR?
I don't want to start a city vs. city crapfest. But I think you can figure them out....
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:45 PM
 
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I don't have overly negative perceptions of any US city because I know I can eat good food and drink alcohol in all of them
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Old 10-19-2017, 10:01 AM
 
Location: I is where I is
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Without a doubt. Not only social media/tv but also just “hear say” in general. So many people listen to other people, without having any actual knowledge on the subject, it’s quite sad actually.

A lot of cities get more of a negative review than actually deserved, just because of this stuff.
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