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Old 10-27-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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I'm not a Philly person, but I've been to Fishtown quite a few times, and its still fairly gritty. You can't get the feel from a short video like that which is trying to promote it. Most of the housing stock is old and NOT renovated - at least from what you can tell on the outside. There are still a lot of old school businesses and long time residents, alongside the new residents and new businesses which cater to a yuppified crowd. And those new higher-end businesses are likely there because the millenials who like to spend a lot of money on restaurants etc. while paying a lower rent than they would in center city.
Precisely, I would say spot on as a former 10 year resident of Fishtown who purchased in the early days of gentrification and sold/moved in 2011. I have visited on/off since then and while there has been significant change, much of the old school has hung on stubbornly...as in the type who find trash cans a nuisance and new school renovations a bother.
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Old 10-27-2017, 05:51 PM
 
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Words like grittiness or soulless, shiny etc. get thrown around way too often and easy. I for example never understand when people call places that are clean, orderly and maintained well, as boring and soulless. I usually just call them clean and livable.
Of course gritty does not always have to mean "dirty" but too often I have seen (read) it used as a response or excuse to filth. Along the lines 'I rather have it gritty then cookiecutter and plastic and soulless...'.
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Old 10-27-2017, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Words like grittiness or soulless, shiny etc. get thrown around way too often and easy. I for example never understand when people call places that are clean, orderly and maintained well, as boring and soulless. I usually just call them clean and livable.
Of course gritty does not always have to mean "dirty" but too often I have seen (read) it used as a response or excuse to filth. Along the lines 'I rather have it gritty then cookiecutter and plastic and soulless...'.
I call this boring and soulless, but it's also clean and livable...

Boring Suburban Houses
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Old 10-27-2017, 11:12 PM
 
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I call this boring and soulless, but it's also clean and livable...

Boring Suburban Houses
Well it is in the suburbs. Can be boring for sure.
However I'm not sure if gritty automatically means more exiting.

Equally boring but gritty houses
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Old 10-28-2017, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Detroit, MI
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You would love east side Detroit
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Old 10-28-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: .N6 A4
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I think sometimes an attraction for grittiness has to do with a desire for authenticity. One wants to feel in contact with society as it is, rather than being insulated from reality. "Grit" exists. If you aren't exposed to it, then you are living a somewhat sheltered life. Appreciation for grittiness can become an aesthetic, but I wonder if it isn't rooted in a pursuit of truth and reality (albeit, probably a very Romantic pursuit of those things).

My enthusiasm for grittiness has decreased greatly as I've gotten older. Civilization is partly a matter of shelter, after all.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Aurora, Colorado
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I really don’t understand it. Give me shinny and new any day.
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Old 10-28-2017, 02:46 PM
 
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It stems from the fact that not everyone is raised with the same values. While you may have been raised to value and appreiciate cleanliness, serenity, safety, low crime, peacefulness, orderliness, structure, sophistication, a slow pace, stability, affluence etc, there are others who see no intrinsic value in those things, or who may even deem those things "boring" and sterile. There are people who were raised to value or even enjoy drama, delapidation, violence, anger, fighting, grit, dirtiness, vulgarity, trash, and chaos swirling at all times. If youre someone who values the former, you will never understand those who value the latter and vice versa. Its simply a matter of coming from two different upbringings and therefore, two different perspectives.
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Old 10-28-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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. There are people who were raised to value or even enjoy drama, delapidation, violence, anger, fighting, grit, dirtiness, vulgarity, trash, and chaos swirling at all times.
If this is your definition of grittiness, then this whole discussion is based on a false premise because no one prefers a lifestyle of violence, anger, vulgarity, and trash.

Those are certainly not what I mean when I say 'grittiness' anyway.
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Old 10-28-2017, 03:26 PM
 
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If this is your definition of grittiness, then this whole discussion is based on a false premise because no one prefers a lifestyle of violence, anger, vulgarity, and trash.

Those are certainly not what I mean when I say 'grittiness' anyway.
Exactly, it's all about the built form of the neighborhood , not crime and garbage.
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