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Old 10-25-2017, 03:40 AM
 
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It's a bit of an odd question, but please, let me know, what's the smoker-friendliest place in the country?
Missouri, which has the lowest tobacco taxes in the U.S. (17 cents on a pack of smokes.) You can still buy a pack of Marlboros here for about $4.00. (Cheaper generics sell for about $3.25) As a consequence, most people in Missouri smoke like they're French.

For the past 25 years the state has been trying to raise the cigarette taxes to discourage smoking, but it's defeated every time at the polls.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:58 AM
 
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I waited tables decades ago when I was in college. As someone with Asthma, working the smoking section was horrific. I couldn't find another job that paid enough for me to afford my education while also being flexible enough for me to attend my classes. It was a struggle.
Life is about choices and comprises. I don't think it's fair to tell a business they have to forbid smoking. Afterall, you're not really entitled to a job so it shouldn't be required for the business to accommodate you.
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Old 10-26-2017, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Land of Ill Noise
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Each U.S. state has different varying sales taxes on cigarettes sold there.

Here is a Map that explains https://taxfoundation.org/state-cigarette-taxes

Generally, the southeastern states have very low cigarette tax. There is a famous store near highway/ motorway #95 in Kenly, North Carolina for discount cigarettes

The northeast coastal states, and the west coast states have very high cigarette tax.

It is illegal in northern states, to smuggle (carry) more than a few cartons of cigarettes when driving from the south into the northern states. Each pack of cigarettes is labeled with a blue paper strip that says where it was bought. Maryland policemen will wait outside a cigarette store in Virginia or watch for drivers with Maryland car licenses to come out carrying large cartons of cigarettes. Also, there was a famous tragic incident of a man, who supported his family by selling untaxed cigarettes bought in the south, who was accidentally shot and killed by policemen in New York City a few years ago
Speaking of that, I offer you this drive-thru cigarette store in Hammond that's very famous, for those looking to skirt the high cig taxes of Chicago. And for sure, it's a landmark that you're about to hit the Illinois border and hit Illinois, and that you've entered Indiana(and Hammond) for those driving east. Anyway, Mr. Lucky's Cigarettes: https://goo.gl/maps/YRzcpXk4TD72

Anyway of cities and state I've been to(still smoke on an infrequent non-daily basis), I've always liked Indiana for the fact you can still smoke in bars and casinos there, besides also the fact it has lower cig taxes vs. Illinois. Las Vegas was very smoker friendly too, could smoke in almost all the bars and casinos I visited there. Heck, their airport even has smoking lounges post-security, which sadly most airports seem to no longer have.

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Banning indoor smoking is annoying to me as a customer, but I think it is a fair trade off to help out the workers who need to be there for financial reasons.
This is an opinion I don't agree with, and where my libertarian views will show up. I've always thought it should've been legally required for businesses permitting smoking to allow those workers to only work in an area where smoking wasn't permitted. For example like in an non-smoking area of a business, or say like a patio where the smoke can dissipate more vs. inside. And to me, I think people overblow the secondhand smoke arguments. Not saying that secondhand smoke isn't unhealthy, it's just I feel the amount of exposure it'd take to cause health issues isn't as little as many falsely argue. Plus that the reality, is that it'd take a very, very long time before any issues ever occurred. Also as it is, there are a LOT of businesses today that voluntarily ban smoking, unlike in the past. I've noticed even in non-ban areas where they could allow smoking if they want to, that many businesses on their own choose to voluntarily not permit smoking at all.

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Life is about choices and comprises. I don't think it's fair to tell a business they have to forbid smoking. Afterall, you're not really entitled to a job so it shouldn't be required for the business to accommodate you.
Amen to that!
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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NC is actually one of the strictest southern states and the only traditional tobacco producing state to have any sort of statewide ban.

There are 3 categories of smoking ban across the USA.
1. Restaurants
2. Bars
3. Non-Hospitality workplaces.

NC has statewide bans in 1. and 2. but not 3., which I think is due to the cigarette manufacturers having business operations there. This means that the cigarette manufacturers can smoke in their own businesses. While not having a statewide ban in Non-Hospitality Workplaces, nearly all of those workplaces have policies/bans of their own. This is essentially a de facto "ban" on category 3 for the most part across the state. A Californian moving to any of NC's cities today would have a very similar experience on a day to day basis regarding clean indoor air. Even some outdoor spaces face the indoor ban as a roofed area with 3 walls of any kind are also considered to be indoors.
Cities in NC, as agreed upon by their counties, may further restrict smoking.
As I said previously, clubs that are run by their members like fraternal orders and country clubs can also make their own rules but those places are not open to public.

Florida, on the other hand, has a ban in 1. and 3. but not 2. This means that bars and clubs can be smoking as long as there isn't food served. If you are someone who likes to go to bars and clubs, you are far more likely to be exposed to smoking in public places in Florida than they would be in North Carolina. Also, Florida doesn't have the outdoor carve out rule that NC has for some covered areas. Florida municipalities cannot further restrict smoking by law. Of course, business owners may choose to make their business smoke free.
FWIW, Florida only has the ban it has because of a citizens' constitutional ballot measure. It is not because the Florida legislature passed a law that was signed by the governor.
North Carolina passed all this during the brief time they had a Democrat Governor. If she was never elected my guess is none of it ever would have passed.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Center City
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Each U.S. state has different varying sales taxes on cigarettes sold there.

Here is a Map that explains https://taxfoundation.org/state-cigarette-taxes

Generally, the southeastern states have very low cigarette tax. There is a famous store near highway/ motorway #95 in Kenly, North Carolina for discount cigarettes

The northeast coastal states, and the west coast states have very high cigarette tax.

It is illegal in northern states, to smuggle (carry) more than a few cartons of cigarettes when driving from the south into the northern states. Each pack of cigarettes is labeled with a blue paper strip that says where it was bought. Maryland policemen will wait outside a cigarette store in Virginia or watch for drivers with Maryland car licenses to come out carrying large cartons of cigarettes. Also, there was a famous tragic incident of a man, who supported his family by selling untaxed cigarettes bought in the south, who was accidentally shot and killed by policemen in New York City a few years ago
His name was Eric GarenHe wasn't "accidentally (lol) shot and killed". The cops took him down facedown to the sidewalk in a chokehold. He was a big man and there was more than one cop on him. He kept saying he couldn't breathe (11 times), and they wouldn't let go, and he died from being choked and his chest being compressed. His name was Eric Garner.
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Old 10-26-2017, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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His name was Eric GarenHe wasn't "accidentally (lol) shot and killed". The cops took him down facedown to the sidewalk in a chokehold. He was a big man and there was more than one cop on him. He kept saying he couldn't breathe (11 times), and they wouldn't let go, and he died from being choked and his chest being compressed. His name was Eric Garner.
Yep, and his 'horrible crime' that was the unbelievable focus of such an overkill of Police resources was selling single cigarettes to passers by. The whole situation was inexcusable as far as the way the City handled it from the get-go.

I find it hard to believe that there aren't more serious issues on Staten Island than this, and I hope NYPD learned a serious and valuable lesson.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:18 AM
 
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I'm the exact opposite a stanch libertarian but agree with liberals on this issue.
You're not much of a libertarian then!
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Old 10-27-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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Winston-Salem
Not even close and oddly mentioned since Philadelphia is one of the hardest smoking cities I have ever lived in.
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Old 10-27-2017, 03:37 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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North Carolina passed all this during the brief time they had a Democrat Governor. If she was never elected my guess is none of it ever would have passed.
North Carolina has a much longer history of almost total Democratic control of government than just that small window of time that Bev Perdue was governor. Go research it before you make a presumption about which party in NC has traditionally run the state. The Republican takeover, like in many other states, was a result of Republican landslide in 2010 and the subsequent redistricting that took place following.
IMO, it was more about the public opinion around smoking in NC that gave the Democrats the political will/air cover to enact the bans at that time. Politicians study the crap out of these sorts of issues and usually don't publicly get behind something until there's a tipping point in constituents' views.
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