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Old 03-18-2008, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Illinois
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Portland doesn't have low crime rates...

Maybe the rest of the state.
and right you are. the rest of the state is the majority of oregon so im gonna go with that one.
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Both coasts
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Tha Pacific NW sounds like a good place for you. I know what you mean about the stuffy Florida way. Whenever I travel I always love getting back to WA, it's more expensive than many other parts of the country, but it has to have one of the highest quality of living in the US. Portland, Seattle and the small cities surrounding those places are generally excellent places to settle down.
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Old 03-20-2008, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Like most major metropolitan areas in the U.S. the further away you are from the big city the cheaper it will be. There are tons of inexpensive places to live in southern King County, Pierce and Snohomish counties. Seattle and the eastside suburbs are expensive but you will be quite surprised at the other areas I mentioned.
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Old 04-02-2008, 04:38 PM
 
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Thank you all for your posts.

I can see it was apparent to the rest of you that I was trying to communicate my desire to get away from elitist and discriminatory attitudes. It wears on my heart to see people being judged not by who they are inside, but by how they express themselves on the outside.


You all have made WA and OR sound great, and I will continue to look into the areas, most likely outside the city limits of one of the bigger ones to reduce cost but still be within a reasonable distance to some recreational activities.

I will have to research all the places you kindly mentioned, including Columbia, MO. Thanks again for the ideas and support.





Marmac is a great example of the type of attitude I would like to stay away from.

I have something to say to you marmac.

What do you not understand about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Freedom, it is what the U.S.A. is about. It causes you no harm if someone else wishes to pierce, tattoo, dye various things of their personal body.

If you don't like that for your body, then that is also your right.

I am a man who has chosen that tattoos and piercings are not something I want on my body ... don't have enough hair on my head to dye it without looking like bozo the clown :P

Lighten up, and respect others rights.

Otherwise, when someone tramples on yours, who will be left to speak on your behalf?

I take the values of my country seriously. This is the land of the free and home of the brave. I am not afraid to speak up for others freedoms.
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Old 04-02-2008, 06:22 PM
 
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I'm scared to death of whoever said Olympia has a liberal feel!!! I moved there first, and even though it was from republican saturated Texas, was miserable there. 300+ days of rain a year, no fine dining at all, nothing to do but walk around in the rain, and people who talk about nothing but overthrowing the government and getting off the grid. Most unfriendly place I've ever been to. I can't believe I left the South and found a more bubba place. Plus there's no work, so you'll find grown adults working the drive through at Taco Bell. Not that there's anything wrong with that. So glad we made it out. I guess I'd better be quiet considering the amount of people there who collect automatic weapons! lol.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:28 PM
 
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As someone who lives near Olympia, WA, based on what you said your preferences are, Olympia sounds like a good place for you to check out. You don't need air conditioning here as temps in the summer average in the mid to upper 70s for highs, lows in the 50s. Winter is kinda gloomy, but not much snow, mostly just lots of rain so you can at least get around. Being the state capital, is also has a more liberal attitude which my be more to your liking. Cost of living is high here however, but it's even worse in Seattle. 2 other place you may want to check out are Eugene and Corvallis, Oregon. These are smallish cities but nice, with the more liberal attitude you seem to want. Good luck.
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:19 AM
 
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The PNW is a great place to live. It can be expensive. I live in Spokane. The cost of living is not anywhere near what it would be in seattle. However you want that liberal element, there are areas of spokane which are more liberal, the local government seems to be half and half. There are also smaller towns outside of the city itself which would be suited towards your taste. You can have the weather and the scenery and the good neighborhood, without paying $900,000 for a decent home. It's something to check out, anyway.
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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The PacNW does sound great for you, but it would be tough to afford. The suburbs south of Seattle would get much more affordable than the east/north, because it's much more blue collar (and it sounds like you're looking for a blue collar type of job). Maybe you could consider Tacoma? It's a medium-sized city, close to Seattle and has Mt. Rainier in its shadow. It shouldn't be hard to get a job that pays enough for you to live there without a college degree, but you said you'd take minimum wage above a higher paying job if you "enjoyed it more." Well, you may need to forget that and take the highest paying job you can get if you want to afford to live anywhere near Seattle. Good luck And here's some pictures of Tacoma. It gets a bad rep from richer people in Seattle, but it is a fine outdoorsy place to live.

Tacoma Skyline



Mount Rainier from Tacoma


Skyline with Tacoma Dome (a great place to see a concert!)



Just be careful if you choose Tacoma. There are definitely bad areas that you should avoid.

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Old 04-17-2008, 11:35 AM
 
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Thank you all so much for your time, thoughts, and considerations. It gives me a sense on how great everyone is up there just by the responses here.


Thanks for the pictures PlanetMars. Looks like a nice place


I am not afraid of a small town, in fact, I have stayed in one with about 2000 residents before, it was just in the plains and it was a bit flat and empty for me. Actually, a small town sounds nice, other than usually needing the extra expense of a car (maintenance, insurance, gas, payments). I wouldn't mind a small, cheap town with intent to travel into one of the bigger cities for occasional recreation, since most small towns have decent stores nowadays, or you can always order things online.

I was using GoogleEarth to try and scope out some smaller towns ... but that doesn't help with cost of living :P Places close to the border or on the east side of the mountains ... or just a bit away from a big city such as Enumclaw (sp).

A city (town) with a mountain view is actually much preferred. I enjoy nature's beauty. I am not a busy body, don't go to clubs/bars, so that is not why I consider a city, just for the convenience of public transportation, museums, shopping (farmer's markets, electronics, video and audio media), which can be accomplished by a special trip or online.




I am not really into the 'liberal' 'conservative' type of labels. I think they divide our country more than just state who someone is. There is a site that has quizzes, but also a couple thousand question personality trait thing. The 100 question quiz shows me in the 'Ghandi' category of Socialist ... but the 3000+ question test shows me as a Republican. So, I am a bit of a mix. I am socially open-minded while personally conservative. I have high moral standards and values, while I respect others right to choose their way of life ... I don't want someone to tell me how I live my life, so I in turn don't think I should have a say how someone else runs theirs. To each their own.

As far as going off-grid, I agree. Solar and wind power is clean, why not? I don't agree with such an extreme thought as 'overthrowing' the government (though it is our right as a citizen, read the constitution), I think it is time for more people to run for office, petition, write, protest, and use every right we have to get them to listen to the people. When we have people in the government that violate the law, they should be held as accountable as you or I would be. When we have people who were elected who don't care what the people say, that is another problem. I am not foolish enough to think everything is peachy right now, but I am still happy in my life despite the sad state of things.




brookmole, I respect your point of view ... and from what I have found from this site, the midwest is probably your style. Very conservative from what I take reading through the posts. Beautiful too. You may be conservative but not southern conservative :P The GitRDone guy came not far from where I live, so, I understand the 'bubba' comment. But if you were into the things those people were, wouldn't it seem more inviting? As someone who uses CFL bulbs, drives a hybrid, turns off things when not in use, low-consumption appliances, and generally conserves and lessens their impact on the world ... I would have a hard time living somewhere or with someone who leaves all their normal bulbs burning 24/7, gets a Hummer but never goes off-road, and generally lives wasteful.

Actually, when visiting family we drive each other crazy :P I turn lights off when I leave the room, or when the sun is up, since that provides adequate lighting ... but they leave lights on all day ... I turn fans off when no one is in the room, they leave them running overnight. So they like it when my visit is done even though they like having me over :lol:

Basically, this has been what I was after ... finding a like-minded community, that I can be around and not pull my hair out because people do all the things that may irk me a bit. People I can relate to in the big picture.

So as Olympia is a horrid spot for brook, it may be someone else's paradise.

This is why I say how much money you make is not a big consideration in looking for a place to live. The people, the environment/weather are far above that. You have to make enough to survive, but living has nothing to do with money. I have seen many more people who are happier who live on change than those with excess.

A person that hates the cold would be miserable in Alaska, despite everything else being great. A person who tolerant would not stand an intolerant place. No amount of money or spending can change the experience for those who are unhappy, but if those are right, as long as you have a roof over your head, food in your belly, and clothes on your back ... it can still be a wonderful life.


I have seen enough miserable people to get an idea of what to look for, plus some personal experiences in different locations that shown me some of what I prefer.


Thanks again everyone, for 'tolerating' me
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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Thank you all so much for your time, thoughts, and considerations. It gives me a sense on how great everyone is up there just by the responses here.


Thanks for the pictures PlanetMars. Looks like a nice place


I am not afraid of a small town, in fact, I have stayed in one with about 2000 residents before, it was just in the plains and it was a bit flat and empty for me. Actually, a small town sounds nice, other than usually needing the extra expense of a car (maintenance, insurance, gas, payments). I wouldn't mind a small, cheap town with intent to travel into one of the bigger cities for occasional recreation, since most small towns have decent stores nowadays, or you can always order things online.

I was using GoogleEarth to try and scope out some smaller towns ... but that doesn't help with cost of living :P Places close to the border or on the east side of the mountains ... or just a bit away from a big city such as Enumclaw (sp).

A city (town) with a mountain view is actually much preferred. I enjoy nature's beauty. I am not a busy body, don't go to clubs/bars, so that is not why I consider a city, just for the convenience of public transportation, museums, shopping (farmer's markets, electronics, video and audio media), which can be accomplished by a special trip or online.




I am not really into the 'liberal' 'conservative' type of labels. I think they divide our country more than just state who someone is. There is a site that has quizzes, but also a couple thousand question personality trait thing. The 100 question quiz shows me in the 'Ghandi' category of Socialist ... but the 3000+ question test shows me as a Republican. So, I am a bit of a mix. I am socially open-minded while personally conservative. I have high moral standards and values, while I respect others right to choose their way of life ... I don't want someone to tell me how I live my life, so I in turn don't think I should have a say how someone else runs theirs. To each their own.

As far as going off-grid, I agree. Solar and wind power is clean, why not? I don't agree with such an extreme thought as 'overthrowing' the government (though it is our right as a citizen, read the constitution), I think it is time for more people to run for office, petition, write, protest, and use every right we have to get them to listen to the people. When we have people in the government that violate the law, they should be held as accountable as you or I would be. When we have people who were elected who don't care what the people say, that is another problem. I am not foolish enough to think everything is peachy right now, but I am still happy in my life despite the sad state of things.




brookmole, I respect your point of view ... and from what I have found from this site, the midwest is probably your style. Very conservative from what I take reading through the posts. Beautiful too. You may be conservative but not southern conservative :P The GitRDone guy came not far from where I live, so, I understand the 'bubba' comment. But if you were into the things those people were, wouldn't it seem more inviting? As someone who uses CFL bulbs, drives a hybrid, turns off things when not in use, low-consumption appliances, and generally conserves and lessens their impact on the world ... I would have a hard time living somewhere or with someone who leaves all their normal bulbs burning 24/7, gets a Hummer but never goes off-road, and generally lives wasteful.

Actually, when visiting family we drive each other crazy :P I turn lights off when I leave the room, or when the sun is up, since that provides adequate lighting ... but they leave lights on all day ... I turn fans off when no one is in the room, they leave them running overnight. So they like it when my visit is done even though they like having me over :lol:

Basically, this has been what I was after ... finding a like-minded community, that I can be around and not pull my hair out because people do all the things that may irk me a bit. People I can relate to in the big picture.

So as Olympia is a horrid spot for brook, it may be someone else's paradise.

This is why I say how much money you make is not a big consideration in looking for a place to live. The people, the environment/weather are far above that. You have to make enough to survive, but living has nothing to do with money. I have seen many more people who are happier who live on change than those with excess.

A person that hates the cold would be miserable in Alaska, despite everything else being great. A person who tolerant would not stand an intolerant place. No amount of money or spending can change the experience for those who are unhappy, but if those are right, as long as you have a roof over your head, food in your belly, and clothes on your back ... it can still be a wonderful life.


I have seen enough miserable people to get an idea of what to look for, plus some personal experiences in different locations that shown me some of what I prefer.


Thanks again everyone, for 'tolerating' me
Actually, the opposite is true. They are not liberal in Olympia, by any stretch of the imagination. They are more neo-conservative, but sometimes it's easy to get them mixed up. I lived in Dallas, which is where most of the liberals in Texas are. I wanted to get away from that conservative mindset, not go somewhere even worse. I am an environmentalist, democrat, and artist, so you can't really tell someone's point of view from a few sentences. I get where you're coming from, but you missed the mark. I live in Seattle now, much better. It's a little small, Dallas is 10x the size and I miss living in a major city. I think I prefer 1 million + as far as population goes. I may end up in NY or LA, more my speed.
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