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Old 11-18-2017, 02:26 PM
 
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This is sort of based on older threads from this forum about quality of life and society during the 50's and 80's. I want to discuss, but I also wanted to see a general consensus here on this topic. Also what was good and bad about each period frame.

I think I will first provide my analysis or commentary. I was born in 1991 and I still prefer things that we had in the 20th century (especially the second half) more than the current things we have in 2017. I can also argue that the way things are today just started earlier than these time frames, but this should just be left alone right now.

Back in the 90's and especially the 80's, the technology was more simple compared to today's standards. But I also believe that computers got more complex and people and society becomes more simple and generic as that happens. I don't really think I can "agree" with my age on some of that, if that even can make sense.

The other stuff happening now is that the way people and businesses use to do everything is now becoming extinct before my very eyes and it's burning my feelings about where we are heading. At least those things were still being done in some form even no later than 20 years ago, but I was still 5 or 6 years old back then. Physical retail and media stores are losing their revenue because of everything being done online now.

You also had to deal with the cold war that ended in the late 80's. There were even films made and songs recorded about it. And people say what the similar things we deal with today are going to turn out with the same outcome as during the end of the cold war, I don't know if they really understand what they are talking about. To me that is a very painful thing to say or think about, but I only think our world was lucky back then and some things are different today. You can blame the theoretical likely outcome on these kind of threats on the laws of cause and effect, so it's a real female pup .
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Old 11-18-2017, 02:40 PM
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America 1950s-90s for sure.

I agree with you on big changes are coming fast....driverless cars and trucks.
AI/robots replacing a lot of jobs.
Donít even have to remember facts anymore...I find my memory muscles have atrophied,
everyone now is a google genius.
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Old 11-18-2017, 03:16 PM
 
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May I ask how old you are?

I feel kind of shamed for having my views about today's world. I think when you're in your 20's and have these kind of sentiments, it feels like you are alienated.

The other thing is that I am prone to worrying and anxiety, and I really sometimes believe that the end of all this is that I'm not going to "make it" in society or that society will have a very apocalyptic or dark collapse in my lifetime. It wouldn't really come as a surprise if that sort of event happened before I hit my 30th speaking to the earliest. It's killing my spirit. Even hoping and praying won't change what happens. I reject faith in some force above that he/it will be able or even willing to spare us away from that theoretical tragedy.

On the other hand, there are still some things that make me feel good, like movies or music. I am not really anti-21st century so much as I just feel depressed. I have felt that sentiment ever since I had a coming-of-age "waking up" 10 years ago. I have seen more thoughts of worry and depression on average ever since, and my social anxiety grew also.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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America 1950s-90s for sure.

I agree with you on big changes are coming fast....driverless cars and trucks.
AI/robots replacing a lot of jobs.
Donít even have to remember facts anymore...I find my memory muscles have atrophied,
everyone now is a google genius.
^^ I agree. Technology is exciting though. That would be the only real plus for 21st century USA. In every other way, 50s to 90s 100%. This country was optimistic and clearly on top of the world in most ways. Now, we are becoming a laughing stock in some ways, and other places are rapidly improving while certain things here get worse.
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Old 11-18-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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Even if this can be debatable or not, but I also get some ideas that the last decades of the 20th century where our attitudes in some areas were more progressive than today, but in a more organic way rather than trying to force progressivism through by political and legislative strong-arm tactics. That's what I would have missed the most about those days.

Maybe more people should consider migrating outside the US after all? I think that will save people's sanity in the long run than the alternative of staying, but still trying to change things.
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Old 11-18-2017, 08:31 PM
 
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Interesting topic. I am a late baby boomer (1948-1964 is the general BB scope) I feel lucky to have observed a tremendous period of change, mostly technological, but also socially. The world I was born into was mostly racist, sexist, and unable to accept different lifestyles. While some cling to those ancient ideas, we mostly have moved on to a different and better level. From computers that took up an entire room that now can fit in our hands via our cellphones, to men landing on the moon, to the fall of the Soviet Union, it has certainly been a ride for those of my generation.

I tend to think life is better today than it was from 1950-1990. I think some tend to romanticize "older" days because we selectively remember the good things rather than the bad things. A lot of folks don't remember how primitive computers were back in those days, and how complicated they were to operate. Today, they are simple for most.

Beyond that, as mentioned, as a society we have progressed with some current (hopefully short-term) hiccups.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:03 PM
 
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No comparison here. The pre 1990 world was way better. It was safer, it was simpler and it was simply a better way of life. People still related to each other rather than interface through digital tech, people went outside and enjoyed activities like sports, hunting, fishing, real hobbies rather than play stupid games and live on social media. Even the sky seemed more blue lol.

People now rely on government, they cry out for more daddy government. They are entitled, especially those of the millenial generation. Today we have whining easily offended snowflakes dictating to me what is and is not PC. We have open perversions and it is celebrated. Our freedom of speech and right to keep and bear arms, basic American freedoms are now challenged by these people. God is even challenged. Our last great president from “the good old days” once called the Soviets an evil empire and built up our military to ensure we would win the Cold War. Today some of our people sound more like those soviets than they do Americans. The great Cold War leaders like Reagan, Kennedy, Eisenhower and Truman are likely spinning in thier graves.

The OP is right about technology destroying brick and mortar businesses. Too many people shop online and they do not think about what they are contributing to. Now retailers and restaurants I grew up with are disappearing. There is more to life than a computer screen. Heck people now even use it to find dates, so much for the old fashioned way. I guess I am old fashioned too. This country is nothing like the America I grew up in during the 1970s and 1980s.

Obviously I am not a fan of the 21rst century.
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Old 11-18-2017, 09:57 PM
 
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What I want to find an answer for is why is there such a stigma in society to those who romanticize the older days or think the pre-21st century world was a better way of growing up? I am still 5 years from under 30, and I really feel like my own generation doesn't appreciate their parents. It doesn't help that my own generation is the one where most of the narrow-minded, militant, malevolent, usefully ignorant "snowflakes" and the powers that peddle those kinds of agendas. Now, some tolerance and acceptance is nice and all, but the opposite extreme of society today is just as worse, if not actually worse. I just want people to own and admit that, but NOOO, it's always that one certain side of the "extremism" is always perpetually "worse" than the other. Oh yeah, and burn the cliches like those who don't agree with their agenda wanting to "holocaust" LGBT people for example. A lot of those cliches arise from things that are either totally lies or extreme simplification of the argument.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:20 PM
 
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What I want to find an answer for is why is there such a stigma in society to those who romanticize the older days or think the pre-21st century world was a better way of growing up? I am still 5 years from under 30, and I really feel like my own generation doesn't appreciate their parents. It doesn't help that my own generation is the one where most of the narrow-minded, militant, malevolent, usefully ignorant "snowflakes" and the powers that peddle those kinds of agendas. Now, some tolerance and acceptance is nice and all, but the opposite extreme of society today is just as worse, if not actually worse. I just want people to own and admit that, but NOOO, it's always that one certain side of the "extremism" is always perpetually "worse" than the other. Oh yeah, and burn the cliches like those who don't agree with their agenda wanting to "holocaust" LGBT people for example. A lot of those cliches arise from things that are either totally lies or extreme simplification of the argument.
No disrespect intended but if your in your mid 20s you just never lived it. You don’t know a world where most people believe in the Bible nor do you know the world where morality was clear cut and more defined. You know morality as shades of grey rather than black and white, you know a world more driven by emotion. You also don’t know a world where people did things that really involved physically doing things that don’t involve digital technology. When I grew up kids played outside, when I was a teen I did a lot of fishing and hunting, I enjoyed cars and playing sports. Kids today just don’t do those things, they go on social media, they play video games online. I lived and grew up vastly different than you likely did. For all the reasons above I see the world much different than most millenials. The reason it seems to younger people that we romanticize the old days is because we are being told to change our values and accept the new ones and if we don’t we are “bigots, backwards etc.” What is sad is many people don’t understand what has been lost in terms of quality of life, quality of families and values. Even the right to speak freely on issues is lost as is the ability to tell most jokes without offending someone and sending them running for a safe space. I do commend you for at least questioning the new attitudes rather than just drinking the millenial coolaid.
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Old 11-18-2017, 10:28 PM
 
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What I want to find an answer for is why is there such a stigma in society to those who romanticize the older days or think the pre-21st century world was a better way of growing up? I am still 5 years from under 30, and I really feel like my own generation doesn't appreciate their parents. It doesn't help that my own generation is the one where most of the narrow-minded, militant, malevolent, usefully ignorant "snowflakes" and the powers that peddle those kinds of agendas. Now, some tolerance and acceptance is nice and all, but the opposite extreme of society today is just as worse, if not actually worse. I just want people to own and admit that, but NOOO, it's always that one certain side of the "extremism" is always perpetually "worse" than the other. Oh yeah, and burn the cliches like those who don't agree with their agenda wanting to "holocaust" LGBT people for example. A lot of those cliches arise from things that are either totally lies or extreme simplification of the argument.
You've somewhat lost me here. I don't believe this older period was better. I do believe many who lived through it tend to only remember the good, but never the bad. Progressives tend to look forward, not backward.

If I understand your point, you think this late 20th century was good, but your generation does not. I don't think one is more true than the other. Change is inevitable, always has been, always will be.

So, sorry, as someone who lived through this so-called "golden" period, I'm not going to drink the "those were the days" kool-aid. Life is different today, but it is better in many ways. And you can't magically bring something back that doesn't exist today.
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