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Old 11-20-2017, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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York County, besides being its own MSA, is already a part of the Harrisburg CSA. It was combined with Harrisburg in 2010, so I don't see the Census waffling on this inclusion anytime soon. It's possible, sure, but highly unlikely that Baltimore siphons off such a new addition to an emerging powerful region (now the 3rd largest metro area in PA).
Once a county joins an MSA it is incredibly difficult for it to move to another. Once a county becomes a "core county" of an MSA, it's effectively locked in for life (since intra-county commuting then counts as commuting to the "metro"). York County being in the CSA, however, means it's possible for it to move. I believe Trenton-Princeton was once a part of Philadelphia's CSA.

According to the Census Bureau, of 201,489 workers in York County, 26,610 commute to Harrisburg MSA (13.2%) and 22,356 commute to Baltimore MSA (11.1%).

In 2005 it was 14.2% commuting to Harrisburg and 8.6% commuting to Baltimore.

So the trend is for Baltimore to increase its market share.
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:29 PM
 
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The comparison between MSA and CSA is interesting for LA, and why MSA doesn't work well for LA. Close to 40% of San Bernardino/Riverside MSA (aka the IE) commute to LA/Orange County MSA. The flow the other direction is much less, and really minimal when you compare percent of workforce.

Physically, there is almost no undeveloped land that isn't set aside as parks/reserves in either Orange or LA County, with the exception of the Antelope Valley/Mojave Desert on the far side of the San Gabriel Mountains in Northern LA County over 70 miles from LA. That compares to about 40 miles from Simi Valley or Thousand Oaks in Ventura County to central LA, and about 30-35 miles from the Western IE. So a lot of the growth for the LA MSA occurs in the Ventura MSA and Riverside-San Bernardino MSA, but most people who move out there are still commuting to jobs in LA/Orange counties. That's why as these areas have grown, so has the percentage of people commuting out of the MSA to LA/Orange County.
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Old 11-21-2017, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Lots of good points.

Washington DC also has artificial 2010-2016 growth since that was a function of 100k+ gains each year in the immediate aftermath of the Great Recession.

And the Florida growth is indeed insane. I just from the NYT that possibly up to ~160k Puerto Ricans are settling in Orlando by the end of 2017 (~60k have already done so and 100k have flights to Orlando through December 31 - and we all know they aren't coming to vacation). So I would be shocked if the 2010-2016 average doesn't skyrocket in May 2019 release (since Hurricane Maria occurred after July 1, 2017, we'll have to wait for the July 1, 2018 release in May 2019 to know the extent of demographic change).

Nothing to note about Phoenix, other than I wish the city would urbanize rather than just tacking on suburbs at the end of the sprawl line.
A common misconception since the city most definitely has been urbanizing. The downtown/midtown areas and areas like Tempe are seeing growth and infill that the metro hasn't experienced before.
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:11 AM
 
Location: The City
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Once a county joins an MSA it is incredibly difficult for it to move to another. Once a county becomes a "core county" of an MSA, it's effectively locked in for life (since intra-county commuting then counts as commuting to the "metro"). York County being in the CSA, however, means it's possible for it to move. I believe Trenton-Princeton was once a part of Philadelphia's CSA.

According to the Census Bureau, of 201,489 workers in York County, 26,610 commute to Harrisburg MSA (13.2%) and 22,356 commute to Baltimore MSA (11.1%).

In 2005 it was 14.2% commuting to Harrisburg and 8.6% commuting to Baltimore.

So the trend is for Baltimore to increase its market share.


Mercer was part of the MSA not CSA It still meets Philly CSA but also NYC


actually Philly and NYC make a CSA connection but the census choose to keep them separate which makes sense, for York they may not make the change even if it meets both, time will tell but regardless the distance and small numbers make it a little dubious at best if they do
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Old 11-26-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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Adding MSA Populations for Cities that have CSAs/PSAs of 2.5 million to 3 million. I'll post CSA info on these 5 shortly:









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Old 11-26-2017, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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Adding CSA/PSA populations for Cities that have CSAs/PSAs of 2.5 million to 3 million.









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Old 12-06-2017, 06:28 PM
 
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Great work. Any idea when you will post the rest.
Thanks
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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I'll aim for 5 more cities this weekend.
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Old 12-16-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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Here are MSA trends for 5 more cities: Columbus, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Las Vegas, and San Antonio. CSAs for these cities will be coming shortly









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Old 12-16-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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And here are the CSA/PSA trends for these cities:











The next batch of 4 will be Austin, Cincinnati, Milwaukee and Raleigh (rounding out all cities with PSA/CSAs above 2 million).
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