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Old 12-02-2017, 06:29 PM
Location: DFW
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Originally Posted by Space_League View Post
Why can't we build compact, walkable cities in warm climates? Who cares if you can walk to amenities in Boston in January, I would rather be in my warm car. But go down to LA where it's 70 degrees out in "winter" and all of a sudden you need a car..
Some suburbs of LA have walkable neighborhoods, namely Pasadena, Santa Monica, Monrovia, Orange, etc.

You forgot about San Francisco. Sure, it rarely gets super hot but blistering cold is also an abnomality there. It's probably the most walkable city on the West Coast, and parts of its suburbs like Berkeley, Oakland, Mountain View, Walnut Creek, etc also have walkable neighborhoods where it's possible to get by without a car.

Portland might also work if you live close to downtown.. though the suburbs are more like LA in car dependency.

Personally, I would NEVER ever live in a city that get accumulating snow regularly in the winter AND is car dependent. Driving in the snow is a NO NO for me.
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Old 12-02-2017, 06:34 PM
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Charleston, Savannah, and Miami beach are very walkable
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Old 12-02-2017, 07:55 PM
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by Texyn View Post
Tell that to New Orleans, Charleston, Savannah, Galveston, etc.

All of these cities have walkable areas at least in their downtowns.
They weren't the big cities that the Bos-Wash corridor or Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit or Chicago were
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:16 AM
Location: Downtown & Brooklyn!
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Originally Posted by TonyNY View Post
You mean Queens and The Bronx, right? Brooklyn hasn't had an MLB team for 60 years.

Also, the subway exists. You should try it sometime.
And MSG is not far at all from Times Square. A very short walk
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:24 AM
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New Orleans and Charleston used to be some of the largest cities in the USA - both were in the top 5. To this day, they have very walkable areas, but the newer portions are definitely very suburban and not very walkable.

So to answer your question, the cities that are walkable are all built and developed before the automobile and usually achieved some critical size early on.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:42 PM
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Originally Posted by That_One_Guy View Post
And MSG is not far at all from Times Square. A very short walk
That's still only 1 out of 3.

Previously a person said northern cities are more compact, but Charlotte is more compact than NYC. All of the sports venues are near the main street, Tryon. No need to get on a subway.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:56 PM
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I hope that those claiming Charlotte etc. are walkable realize that there are degrees of walkability. Charlotte's 2.1% walking commute rate (2015 ACS) is one sign, vs. cities four or five times that.

Pre-auto urban form is a factor, but only part of the story. Actually, pre-war was also a key time. But beyond both, it's also about the quality of transit, the road system, centralization of jobs, the health of the central city, and other factors that affected past development patterns and affect them today. A lack of parking mandates plays a big role.
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:07 PM
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I'm not sure what transit has to do with 'walkability' . If you take transit, you aren't walking.

It is a fact Charlotte is more compact than most northern cities which contradicts the premise of this topic.
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Old 12-03-2017, 01:10 PM
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Average walkscores by city below... looks like most are Northern or Western cities.

Walk Score analyzes hundreds of walking routes to nearby amenities. Points are awarded based on the distance to amenities in each category. Amenities within a 5 minute walk (.25 miles) are given maximum points. A decay function is used to give points to more distant amenities, with no points given after a 30 minute walk.

Walk Score also measures pedestrian friendliness by analyzing population density and road metrics such as block length and intersection density. Data sources include Google, Education.com, Open Street Map, the U.S. Census, Localeze, and places added by the Walk Score user community

2017 City & Neighborhood Ranking
New York, NY #1
New York
Walk Score: 89.2
The Big Apple is the financial capital of the US and home to Times Square and the Empire State Building. Find New York apartments.
Top neighborhoods:
Union Square

San Francisco, CA #2
San Francisco
Walk Score: 86.0
San Francisco is famous for beauty, bridges, Victorian architecture, hilly landscape and diverse people. Find San Francisco apartments and San Francisco Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Downtown-Union Square
Lower Nob Hill

Boston, MA #3
Walk Score: 80.9
The Athens of America, Boston is a leader in technology and U.S universities including Harvard and MIT. Find Boston apartments and Boston Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Chinatown - Leather District
North End
Bay Village

Miami, FL #4
Walk Score: 79.2
Sunny Miami, Florida, one of America's cleanest cities, is a mecca for beaches, nightlife and bicycles. Find Miami apartments and Miami Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Little Havana

Philadelphia, PA #5
Walk Score: 79.0
A vibrant city with rich history, Philly is a hub of business, art, education, and cheesesteaks. Find Philadelphia apartments and Philadelphia Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Center City West
Avenue of the Arts South
Rittenhouse Square

Chicago, IL #6
Walk Score: 77.8
The Windy City, Chicago is a banking hub with the highest US skyscrapers on the shores of Lake Michigan. Find Chicago apartments and Chicago Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Near North Side
West Loop
East Ukrainian Village

Washington D.C., DC #7
Washington D.C.
Walk Score: 77.3
The Nation's capital of the United States, Washington DC is rich in government jobs and places to live. Find Washington D.C. apartments and Washington D.C. Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Dupont Circle
Downtown-Penn Quarter-Chinatown

Seattle, WA #8
Walk Score: 73.1
The Emerald City of Seattle has rapidly growing walkable neighborhoods surrounded by mountains and water. Find Seattle apartments and Seattle Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Pioneer Square
First Hill

Oakland, CA #9
Walk Score: 72.0
East Bay's Oakland is a vibrant city with art, culture and sunshine in the San Francisco Bay area. Find Oakland apartments and Oakland Real Estate.
Top neighborhoods:
Laney College

Long Beach, CA #10
Long Beach
Walk Score: 69.9
Long Beach combines world class urban amenities with small town charm and a laid back lifestyle. Find Long Beach apartments.
Top neighborhoods:
Saint Mary
Franklin School


And just to compare, walkscores for some southern cities below:
Jacksonville 26.8
Austin 40.3
Houston 48.7
Charlotte 25.9
Atlanta 49.2
Tampa 50
New Orleans 57.6

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Old 12-03-2017, 01:20 PM
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This may give some idea as well: Car Ownership in U.S. Cities Data and Map
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