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Old 12-07-2017, 11:36 PM
 
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Virginia was my first thought though DC is just adjacent.
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Old 12-08-2017, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I think Northern Delaware deserves inclusion as a major metropolitan area, or one that is on “the cusp”.


Northern Delaware--Delaware period--doesn't have a major metro. Being close to and on the receiving end of residual effect from Baltimore and Philadelphia negates it from being major. The only agreement is, Wilmington is the major city for its state--but so is Little Rock to its; so is Charleston, West Virginia to its; so is Portland, Maine to its. Wilmington/Northern Delaware is along the same vein as Little Rock/Central Arkansas and all these other cities...the leader of its state, major to its state, but not even close to being a major city...
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Northern Delaware--Delaware period--doesn't have a major metro. Being close to and on the receiving end of residual effect from Baltimore and Philadelphia negates it from being major. The only agreement is, Wilmington is the major city for its state--but so is Little Rock to its; so is Charleston, West Virginia to its; so is Portland, Maine to its. Wilmington/Northern Delaware is along the same vein as Little Rock/Central Arkansas and all these other cities...the leader of its state, major to its state, but not even close to being a major city...
I disagree. Baltimore and Philadelphia themselves are also on the receiving end of residual effects of other metros (DC and NYC, respectively). They're still major, since they have very large populations, high gdps, high profiles, pro sports teams, etc. Wilmington is nowhere near their level, but compared to Little Rock, Portland, and especially Charleston, Wilmington is clearly a cut above them. Higher GDP, higher GDP per capita, higher national profile, more cosmopolitan and better transportation.

Nominally, Wilmington has a metro division population of 723,200 in 1100 sq miles. And yet its GDP is at $60.4 billion, which is far higher than Little Rock's ($38B), Portland's ($30B) and Charleston's ($12B). In fact, this GDP is higher than Albany's ($52B), Albuquerque's ($43B), Baton Rouge's ($51B), Buffalo's ($58B), Rochester's ($55B), Tucson's ($37B), Tulsa's ($58B) and Worcester's ($42B). Again, this doesn't include Kent County ($7B) nor the contiguous Brandywine Valley (southern areas of Chester and Delaware counties that are more Wilmington suburbs than Philly ones). Just including Kent County (Dover) puts the population at 900,000 and GDP at $67B. When you throw in the fact that it has a major Amtrak station (12th busiest, ahead of Newark, NJ, Seattle, Milwaukee, and Portland) with high speed rail, 14 buildings over 200 feet, and a top 20 container port (TEU), I think Wilmington is definitely a metro of around 1,000,000 people, not including Philadelphia's influence.

https://www.forbes.com/places/de/wilmington/
https://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/reg...ewsrelease.htm
http://www.logisticsmgmt.com/images/...5_TopPorts.pdf
https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/r...ual_Report.pdf
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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WY and MT come to mind immediately.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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These following states do not seat an urban area >500,000 by population (largest city in each state), from smallest to largest:

*Keep in mind these were estimates from 2010*

Wyoming - Cheyenne-----------------73,588
Vermont - Burlington----------------108,740
Montana - Billings-------------------114,773
South Dakota - Sioux Falls---------156,777
North Dakota - Fargo---------------176,676
West Virginia - Huntington---------202,637
Maine - Portland--------------------203,914
New Hampshire- Nashua-----------226,400 (state does have spillover from Boston)
Alaska - Anchorage-----------------251,243
Idaho - Boise-----------------------349,684 (state does have spillover from Spokane)
Mississippi - Jackson---------------351,478 (state does have spillover from Memphis)
Arkansas - Little Rock--------------431,388 (state does have spillover from Memphis)
Iowa - Des Moines------------------450,070 (state does have spillover from Omaha)
Kansas - Wichita--------------------472,870 (state does have spillover from Kansas City)

States that do not seat an urban area >1,000,000

South Carolina - Columbia--------549,777 (state does have spillover from Charlotte)
Delaware - Wilmington -----------would likely have an urban area >500K. (state does have spillover from Philadelphia)
Nebraska - Omaha ---------------725,008
New Mexico - Albuquerque-------741,318 (state does have spillover from El Paso)
Alabama - Birmingham-----------749,495
Hawaii - Honolulu-----------------802,459
Oklahoma - Oklahoma City-------861,505
Louisiana - New Orleans ---------899,703
Connecticut - Hartford------------924,859 (state does have spillover from NYC)
Tennessee - Nashville-------------969,587 (state does have spillover from Memphis)
Kentucky - Louisville--------------972,546 (state does have spillover from Cincinnati)
New Jersey - Newark/Jersey City-would have an urban area >4 million. (state does have spillover from NYC, captain obvious here)

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Old 12-08-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Alaska
Iowa
Maine
North Dakota
Wyoming
South Dakota
Vermont
Montana
Mississippi
Delaware
Rhode Island
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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Northern Delaware--Delaware period--doesn't have a major metro. Being close to and on the receiving end of residual effect from Baltimore and Philadelphia negates it from being major. The only agreement is, Wilmington is the major city for its state--but so is Little Rock to its; so is Charleston, West Virginia to its; so is Portland, Maine to its. Wilmington/Northern Delaware is along the same vein as Little Rock/Central Arkansas and all these other cities...the leader of its state, major to its state, but not even close to being a major city...

This is where the title of a thread and the explanation in the initial post cause conflicting viewpoints in the thread. In the OP, it was clarified as a request for states that don't have access to a major metro. Clearly, Delaware cannot be included in this. Delaware's largest city is part of one of the biggest metros in the country.
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Old 12-08-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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These following states do not have an urban area >500,000 by population (largest city in each state), from smallest to largest:

Wyoming - Cheyenne-----------------73,588
Vermont - Burlington----------------108,740
Montana - Billings-------------------114,773
South Dakota - Sioux Falls---------156,777
North Dakota - Fargo---------------176,676
West Virginia - Huntington---------202,637
Maine - Portland--------------------203,914
Alaska - Anchorage-----------------251,243
Idaho - Boise-----------------------349,684
Mississippi - Jackson---------------351,478 (state does have spillover from Memphis)
Little Rock, Arkansas--------------431,388 (state does have spillover from Memphis)

New Jersey, Delaware, and New Hampshire have direct spillover from a major metro.

Boise's number in the list above is incorrect. The MSA population is around 691,000 and the CSA is near 756,000.
City population is estimated to be near 224,000.
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Boise's number in the list above is incorrect. The MSA population is around 691,000 and the CSA is near 756,000.
City population is estimated to be near 224,000.
Urban area population.
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:08 AM
 
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Virginia was my first thought though DC is just adjacent.
Both Richmond and Hampton Roads have 1 million+ metros and Northern Virginia itself has 3 million+. How is it that Virginia was your first thought?
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