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Old 03-27-2018, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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I can say this, I don't think Birmingham, AL. is highly Racially Harmonious yet even in the 21st Century,,, at least from the feelings I got when I went there about a month ago... Seem more twilight zoneish to me.. Still feels kinda segregated Seriously, but maybe it's me..
It's was probably you, no offense. Is Birmingham perfect when it comes to race relations, no. But it's not like we're back in mid 20th century when it comes to race relations either as many might think.
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Old 03-27-2018, 10:47 PM
 
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And how exactly do you quantify such gibberish?
You wish it was gibberish even though it's not that hard to understand that the more similar the culture is, the more similar the attitude is. What's also not so hard to understand is when you consider that Atlanta has seen more residential isolation between black and white people than any other Southern city with a black population above 100k since 1940, it likely has seen less social exposure between black and white people than those same cities over that same time period.

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Old 03-27-2018, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Segregated Racist Feeling:

Birmingham
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Detroit
Memphis
Knoxville

Racially Harmonious:

Nashville
Minneapolis
Phoenix
Houston
Charlotte
Raleigh
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Old 03-28-2018, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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Segregated Racist Feeling:

Birmingham
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Detroit
Memphis
Knoxville

Racially Harmonious:

Nashville
Minneapolis
Phoenix
Houston
Charlotte
Raleigh
****Rolls eyes****

Why do I get the feeling that your "segregated list" is just a list of places YOU don't like?
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:54 AM
 
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****Rolls eyes****

Why do I get the feeling that your "segregated list" is just a list of places YOU don't like?
She probably read somewhere that Birmingham was the most racially segregated city in the South but she surely wasn't interested to see the numbers which would support what she read. If she was she'd know that there's not one particular census in which the dissimilarity index in the city of Birmingham was higher than the dissimilarity index in the city of Atlanta. So while Birmingham has long been seen as the South's most segregated city, it's actually been Atlanta all along.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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My family is extremely racially diverse and has been for fifty years. So I'm pretty sensitive to racist undertones. BUT I'm not overly sensitive or hypersensitive or looking for racism wherever I go or live. I have this philosophy - treat people the way you want to be treated and don't go looking for trouble. Also - you sort of get out of a place what you put into a place, generally speaking (military family here, so we've always moved a lot).

That being said, I do think that some cities and towns and regions are more accepting and welcoming than others.

I lived an hour outside of Hotlanta for about ten years. I've driven back and forth, sometimes stopping, sometimes visiting, through Birmingham for most of my adult life, a coupla times a year. I've been through (and visited) Memphis more times than I can count. Same with Houston. I'm from New Orleans. I also lived in Knoxville for awhile. I've been to Nashville numerous times. I am very, very familiar with the South and it's cities in general.

I like Atlanta. Is it "racially harmonious?" I don't know. I never had a problem at all there, and neither has my family. Now, B'ham and Hotlanta and Memphis all seem a bit "voluntarily segregated" to me but everyone seems to get along fine. (Same with Shreveport, by the way, just to throw that one in the mix as well.) People are friendly, across racial lines if that makes sense. But they do seem, generally speaking, to live sort of separate lives. Not that there's anything wrong with that, in my opinion. I don't care how people choose to live as long as they treat my family and me with respect.

Actually the city with the most racist vibe I've ever experienced (as a white lady) was St. Louis and I didn't like that one bit. But racial tensions have been high in that city for awhile.

The cities that I've been in that I see the most racial intermingling are Houston, New Orleans, Dallas, Dayton OH, Nashville, and just about any city with military bases attached or close by (like San Antonio and the Hampton Roads area of Virginia and the Newport News area of NC). In fact, for the record, I love the big cities of Texas partly because they are so racially diverse and people tend to get along great, even when there's no military installation around.

I'm an HOA "block coordinator" - I lead communications with the HOA for about 20 homes in my block/area. Within just those twenty homes, we have at least one gay couple, a family from India, an interracial couple, a handicapped man in a wheelchair, some retirees, some young families, and families with teens and college students. In our neighborhood, we have black, white, hispanic, and interracial families. Ours is an upper middle class neighborhood just outside of Tyler, TX. It's not an unusual neighborhood for this area. Everyone lives together happily. I truly know of zero "race issues" around here. I really, really, really like that aspect of living here.

But like I said, I think you tend to get out of a place what you put into it. For instance, I lived in Columbus GA for about three years. My marriage was interracial. One of my best friends was from the Northeast. She was also interracially married. She constantly had "race relations problems." I NEVER had "race relations problems." But then, she assumed that every time she felt slighted, it was because her husband was African American. I honestly couldn't relate to that and finally had to tell her "I swear I don't know what you're talking about - you mean everywhere you go, people are rude to you and it's because your husband is black?" Basically she said yes. What she wasn't factoring in was that SHE was hypersensitive. She expected people to shun her, so if a clerk was not super attentive, she just assumed that it was because she was in an interracial marriage. If their rent application got denied (they had bad credit) she assumed it was because she was in an interracial marriage. What the heck. No one ever treated my family that way and we were living in the same town. So go figgur.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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In terms of an area, the former Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown area in NY during its time was one of the most integrated top 100 metro areas in the country and its PCI(per capita income)gap between whites and people of color were some of the lowest for said metro areas as well(G. Scott Thomas of the American City Business Journals did a couple of article in the past on this). School districts in that area(Dutchess and Orange counties) are generally diverse or have a visible degree of diversity.

Also, the median household income for area black, Hispanic and Asian households were in the top 2 or 3 out of top 100 metro areas according to census data from 2005-2012(when it became a part of the NYC metro area). Only DC and maybe San Jose we’re higher or on par.


I think reasons for this was it has a big military presence in regards to West Point and it had an Air Force Base in Stewart AFB(now an ANG Base and airport). It also is just north of NYC and many people of various backgrounds have moved into that area, while still working in NYC due to having train/rail access into the city.


Some info: Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY - Profiles - diversitydata.org - data for diverse and equitable metropolitan areas


https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?metroid=39100

http://www.usa.com/poughkeepsie-newb...races-data.htm

Demographics of some of the area HS’s: https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361443001196

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=362301003228

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361968001803

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361932001766

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=362070002910

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=362376003307

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=360650000434

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361518001269

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=360327000088

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=360414000177

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=362988004022

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=363003004040

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361233000995

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=361965001795

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=360843000642

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=362997004034

https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/sc...D=362352003286

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Old 03-28-2018, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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My family is extremely racially diverse and has been for fifty years. So I'm pretty sensitive to racist undertones. BUT I'm not overly sensitive or hypersensitive or looking for racism wherever I go or live. I have this philosophy - treat people the way you want to be treated and don't go looking for trouble. Also - you sort of get out of a place what you put into a place, generally speaking (military family here, so we've always moved a lot).

That being said, I do think that some cities and towns and regions are more accepting and welcoming than others.

I lived an hour outside of Hotlanta for about ten years. I've driven back and forth, sometimes stopping, sometimes visiting, through Birmingham for most of my adult life, a coupla times a year. I've been through (and visited) Memphis more times than I can count. Same with Houston. I'm from New Orleans. I also lived in Knoxville for awhile. I've been to Nashville numerous times. I am very, very familiar with the South and it's cities in general.

I like Atlanta. Is it "racially harmonious?" I don't know. I never had a problem at all there, and neither has my family. Now, B'ham and Hotlanta and Memphis all seem a bit "voluntarily segregated" to me but everyone seems to get along fine. (Same with Shreveport, by the way, just to throw that one in the mix as well.) People are friendly, across racial lines if that makes sense. But they do seem, generally speaking, to live sort of separate lives. Not that there's anything wrong with that, in my opinion. I don't care how people choose to live as long as they treat my family and me with respect.

Actually the city with the most racist vibe I've ever experienced (as a white lady) was St. Louis and I didn't like that one bit. But racial tensions have been high in that city for awhile.

The cities that I've been in that I see the most racial intermingling are Houston, New Orleans, Dallas, Dayton OH, Nashville, and just about any city with military bases attached or close by (like San Antonio and the Hampton Roads area of Virginia and the Newport News area of NC). In fact, for the record, I love the big cities of Texas partly because they are so racially diverse and people tend to get along great, even when there's no military installation around.

I'm an HOA "block coordinator" - I lead communications with the HOA for about 20 homes in my block/area. Within just those twenty homes, we have at least one gay couple, a family from India, an interracial couple, a handicapped man in a wheelchair, some retirees, some young families, and families with teens and college students. In our neighborhood, we have black, white, hispanic, and interracial families. Ours is an upper middle class neighborhood just outside of Tyler, TX. It's not an unusual neighborhood for this area. Everyone lives together happily. I truly know of zero "race issues" around here. I really, really, really like that aspect of living here.

But like I said, I think you tend to get out of a place what you put into it. For instance, I lived in Columbus GA for about three years. My marriage was interracial. One of my best friends was from the Northeast. She was also interracially married. She constantly had "race relations problems." I NEVER had "race relations problems." But then, she assumed that every time she felt slighted, it was because her husband was African American. I honestly couldn't relate to that and finally had to tell her "I swear I don't know what you're talking about - you mean everywhere you go, people are rude to you and it's because your husband is black?" Basically she said yes. What she wasn't factoring in was that SHE was hypersensitive. She expected people to shun her, so if a clerk was not super attentive, she just assumed that it was because she was in an interracial marriage. If their rent application got denied (they had bad credit) she assumed it was because she was in an interracial marriage. What the heck. No one ever treated my family that way and we were living in the same town. So go figgur.
Finally, the voice of reason!
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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She probably read somewhere that Birmingham was the most racially segregated city in the South but she surely wasn't interested to see the numbers which would support what she read. If she was she'd know that there's not one particular census in which the dissimilarity index in the city of Birmingham was higher than the dissimilarity index in the city of Atlanta. So while Birmingham has long been seen as the South's most segregated city, it's actually been Atlanta all along.
Pure BS, just like your beyond delusional and totally dishonest first post in this thread that you STILL refuse to address.

I've challenged you five times now. How telling there's been nothing more than the same regurgitated garbage of twisted facts presented in different ways each time. Nothing more, and certainly nothing of substance at all.

You remind me of Trump, repeating the same thing over and over and over again hoping against hope that someone may actually believe you.

Give it up already.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Finally, the voice of reason!
Thank you - couldn't rep you again.
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