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Old 03-24-2018, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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It's not just NYC. Houston and Dallas immediately come to mind as city propers that attract a lot of immigrants. I wasn't trying to compare NYC to Atlanta though, I was just pointing out that a city being more expensive than it used to be won't necessarily stop immigration.
Houston's City Limits are 627 square miles, Dallas's are 385 and Atlanta's are 134.

You were saying?
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Old 03-24-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Houston's City Limits are 627 square miles, Dallas's are 385 and Atlanta's are 134.

You were saying?
You keep moving the goalpost
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Old 03-24-2018, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You keep moving the goalpost
No, that would be you.

It is clear that you know nothing of this issue outside of your own NYC reality.

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Old 03-24-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Atlanta's mayors cultivated an image of their city as " too busy to hate ", despite the contentions of numerous scholars.

The white citizenry in the city that was supposedly " too busy to hate " vociferously opposed the civil rights movement, publicly harassing nonviolent protesters and sometimes resorting to acts of violence and terrorism.

Some thirty racist bombings occurred in Atlanta in the two decades after World War ll ---more than in Birmingham over the same period.

Now tell me the number of black homes churches and businesses which were bombed in New Orleans during that same period.
Our mayor Ivan Allen was the only elected official from the South that testified before the Senate in favor of JFK's Civil Rights bill. Coretta Scott King awarded him in later years with the MLK, Jr Nonviolent Peace Prize as a result.

Meanwhile, during the same time the Mayor of new Orleans ordered the arrest of hundreds for the mere act of picketing Maison Blanche and D.H. Holmes.

Atlanta P.D. hired in first black officers in 1948. When did New Orleans?

And how about you share with everyone the story of the deadliest fire in New Orleans history, which happened as recently as 1973?

From the Times-Picayune: "
The deadliest fire in New Orleans history occurred on June 24, 1973. On that night, an unruly patron was thrown out of the UpStairs Lounge, which was located at the corner of Iberville and Chartres streets. About 30 minutes after being ejected from the bar, the patron returned and deliberately set the stairwell on fire. Thirty-two people died as a result of the arson.


The police and fire department responses were nonchalant and no arrest was made in the case, even though authorities knew who set the fire. Mayor Moon Landrieu, nor any other government official, had anything to say about the tragedy. Churches were either silent or subtly suggested the victims deserved what they got. Today, the fire remains largely forgotten.
Why? Because the UpStairs Lounge was a gay bar."


Your continual years-long tirade to discredit Atlanta's place in the Civil Rights and Social Change movement while holding up New Orleans as some paragon of progressiveness is pathetic and disgusting.

Along with your continued refusal to answer my original questions in regards to your bizarre distance-based claims, you have zero credibility at this point.
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Old 03-24-2018, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Houston's City Limits are 627 square miles, Dallas's are 385 and Atlanta's are 134.

You were saying?
You are moving the goalposts if you calculate counties by their non-black and non-white population you'll see the most "immigrant" (If we generalize that Hispanic and Asian populations are mostly migrant populations, 2nd or third generation and white and black populations are mostly African Americans and White Americans, which is pretty True for all of three of these areas). Percent non-white and non-black.
Harris- Houston- 50% (City of Houston)
Dallas- Dallas- 47% (City of Dallas)
Fort Bend- Houston- 45%
Tarrant- Dallas- 35%
Gwinnett- Atlanta- 34%
Galveston- Houston- 31%
Collin- Dallas- 31%
Denton- Dallas- 30%
Montgomery- Houston- 27%
Cobb- Atlanta- 20%
DeKalb- Atlanta- 17%
Fulton- Atlanta- 16% (City of Atlanta)

The Data speaks for itself, Atlanta straddle the DeKalb/Fulton County line so even if it was current Atlanta+DeKalb and nearest suburbs it wouldn't have the immigrant population of a suburban Dallas community let alone Dallas or Houston.





Even Foreign Born Populations:
Atlanta MSA- 13.7% 800,000 these are 2016 numbers.
Harris County- 25% 1,000,000 (not even the rest of the MSA included) and this was in 2012.
Dallas-Fort Worth- 1,200,000 In the entire area. 2016 numbers

https://www.texastribune.org/2014/01...sidents-texas/

https://www.peoplegroups.info/site/M...orth-Arlington
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Old 03-24-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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You are moving the goalposts if you calculate counties by their non-black and non-white population you'll see the most "immigrant" (If we generalize that Hispanic and Asian populations are mostly migrant populations, 2nd or third generation and white and black populations are mostly African Americans and White Americans, which is pretty True for all of three of these areas). Percent non-white and non-black.
Harris- Houston- 50% (City of Houston)
Dallas- Dallas- 47% (City of Dallas)
Fort Bend- Houston- 45%
Tarrant- Dallas- 35%
Gwinnett- Atlanta- 34%
Galveston- Houston- 31%
Collin- Dallas- 31%
Denton- Dallas- 30%
Montgomery- Houston- 27%
Cobb- Atlanta- 20%
DeKalb- Atlanta- 17%
Fulton- Atlanta- 16% (City of Atlanta)

The Data speaks for itself, Atlanta straddle the DeKalb/Fulton County line so even if it was current Atlanta+DeKalb and nearest suburbs it wouldn't have the immigrant population of a suburban Dallas community let alone Dallas or Houston.





Even Foreign Born Populations:
Atlanta MSA- 13.7% 800,000 these are 2016 numbers.
Harris County- 25% 1,000,000 (not even the rest of the MSA included) and this was in 2012.
Dallas-Fort Worth- 1,200,000 In the entire area. 2016 numbers

https://www.texastribune.org/2014/01...sidents-texas/

https://www.peoplegroups.info/site/M...orth-Arlington
Very good points.
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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While it isn’t a city and I’m not sure of every underlying thing in the place, but I get that vibe from Nyack NY. It is common to see mixed groups of people together out and about, as well as being a diverse community.

There is also an artsy/quaint/gritty vibe all at the same time to the place too.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You are moving the goalposts if you calculate counties by their non-black and non-white population you'll see the most "immigrant" (If we generalize that Hispanic and Asian populations are mostly migrant populations, 2nd or third generation and white and black populations are mostly African Americans and White Americans, which is pretty True for all of three of these areas). Percent non-white and non-black.
Harris- Houston- 50% (City of Houston)
Dallas- Dallas- 47% (City of Dallas)
Fort Bend- Houston- 45%
Tarrant- Dallas- 35%
Gwinnett- Atlanta- 34%
Galveston- Houston- 31%
Collin- Dallas- 31%
Denton- Dallas- 30%
Montgomery- Houston- 27%
Cobb- Atlanta- 20%
DeKalb- Atlanta- 17%
Fulton- Atlanta- 16% (City of Atlanta)

The Data speaks for itself, Atlanta straddle the DeKalb/Fulton County line so even if it was current Atlanta+DeKalb and nearest suburbs it wouldn't have the immigrant population of a suburban Dallas community let alone Dallas or Houston.





Even Foreign Born Populations:
Atlanta MSA- 13.7% 800,000 these are 2016 numbers.
Harris County- 25% 1,000,000 (not even the rest of the MSA included) and this was in 2012.
Dallas-Fort Worth- 1,200,000 In the entire area. 2016 numbers

https://www.texastribune.org/2014/01...sidents-texas/

https://www.peoplegroups.info/site/M...orth-Arlington
No, I am not moving the goalposts. My entire point was that most immigrants head to the suburbs today. i1995 disagreed using the NYC model, which does not apply here. He then stated that more immigrants land inside the City Limits of Dallas and Houston, which are massive compared to Atlanta's. The Counties in Texas are also massive in comparison to Georgia's.

Now you come along to challenge that, showing that Dallas and Houston have more total immigrants than Atlanta as if this were some sort of contest especially in the suburbs. Everyone knows you do in comparison to Atlanta, so you have proven nothing.

The bolded above proves my point, and my point stands.

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Old 03-25-2018, 05:31 AM
 
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I'd have to say Charlotte. They have a very strong black middle class. People of different races interact very well and freely from my own personal experiences and observations. I've seen more multiracial churches there than I've seen anywhere else in the nation that I've visited.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:46 PM
 
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Our mayor Ivan Allen was the only elected official from the South that testified before the Senate in favor of JFK's Civil Rights bill. Coretta Scott King awarded him in later years with the MLK, Jr Nonviolent Peace Prize as a result.

Meanwhile, during the same time the Mayor of new Orleans ordered the arrest of hundreds for the mere act of picketing Maison Blanche and D.H. Holmes.

Atlanta P.D. hired in first black officers in 1948. When did New Orleans?

And how about you share with everyone the story of the deadliest fire in New Orleans history, which happened as recently as 1973?

From the Times-Picayune: "
The deadliest fire in New Orleans history occurred on June 24, 1973. On that night, an unruly patron was thrown out of the UpStairs Lounge, which was located at the corner of Iberville and Chartres streets. About 30 minutes after being ejected from the bar, the patron returned and deliberately set the stairwell on fire. Thirty-two people died as a result of the arson.


The police and fire department responses were nonchalant and no arrest was made in the case, even though authorities knew who set the fire. Mayor Moon Landrieu, nor any other government official, had anything to say about the tragedy. Churches were either silent or subtly suggested the victims deserved what they got. Today, the fire remains largely forgotten.
Why? Because the UpStairs Lounge was a gay bar."


Your continual years-long tirade to discredit Atlanta's place in the Civil Rights and Social Change movement while holding up New Orleans as some paragon of progressiveness is pathetic and disgusting.

Along with your continued refusal to answer my original questions in regards to your bizarre distance-based claims, you have zero credibility at this point.


Atlanta has a higher average dissimilarity index (88.1) than any other Southern city inhabited by 100k or more black residents since 1940, while New Orleans has a lower average dissimilarity index (78.7) than any other Southern city inhabited by 100k or more black residents since 1940.

Tell someone that, despite experiencing considerably more black-white residential segregation than New Orleans, Atlanta experienced less black-white social segregation than New Orleans....and they'll laugh at you.

What's pathetic is white Atlantans like you continue to perpetuate the same debunked myth over and over while omitting that Atlanta was the hotbed of Klan hotbeds during the 20th century.
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