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Old 04-26-2018, 02:59 PM
 
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In my personal experience I've run into a lot more bat**** insane in your face conservatives out west than in the Midwest I can tell you that much. And I certainly didn't go looking for them.

The only cases of extreme in your face conservatism I've personally experienced out West came from certain racist and militia groups up in places like Idaho and Montana, and they certainly don't represent the West or it's live and let live mentality. These people are fringe groups, and they're not natives to the West. They often come from the Midwest. Look up Idaho politician Heather Scott and how she defended White Nationalists at Charlottesville, she's originally from Ohio
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Old 04-26-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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Most of the handful of people who belong to the militia groups in the NW(including Washington and Oregon) are from California. I don't think I would classify them as conservative because they are generally anti government. But they are much more mellow compared to the gangs in cities like Chicago.
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Old 04-26-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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Your so called personal experience involves meeting a few dozen people in Montana or Wyoming? The West is a huge area of the USA, it is silly to label nearly half of the country based on your assumptions.



It's really funny actually, the Midwest was key to Trump's victory in 2016, it's a pro Trump region. Whereas in the West, they voted against Trump, as can be seen here













And yet, the West is "conservative extremist" lol
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Old 04-27-2018, 09:16 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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That blue blob occupying the interior West is basically a Mormon heat map. So what that map shows me is that Trump had smaller margins in the West in 2016, particularly among Mormons, than Romney did four years earlier.

That disparity stems from voter apathy among Mormons who couldn't bring themselves to vote for a sleazeball of such an epic scale. I assure you Utah is not the center of Clinton country just because they did not like Trump as much as Romney who, lo and behold, was also a Mormon.

I do agree that the West, in general, is not a hotbed of conservatism, though. But apart from the coast and certain cities in the Mountain West, it sure isn't liberal either.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:03 PM
 
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That blue blob occupying the interior West is basically a Mormon heat map.

Not true, look at the map more closely. Arizona and Wyoming are both a part of the blue blob and they are not Mormon to my knowledge.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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Not true, look at the map more closely. Arizona and Wyoming are both a part of the blue blob and they are not Mormon to my knowledge.
Arizona is one of the top Mormon states by %...probably top 5, definitely top 10.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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There's less racism in the west because there's less racial diversity.

Outside of California and a couple of isolated parts of large interior cities (Phoenix, Salt Lake, Denver) most places in the west are like 95% white and the non-white people are basically culturally white people with more melanin in their skin. On top of this, the minority communities in the west tend to assimilate better. You have mostly Hispanic and Asian minorities, and very few African American minorities. Even Los Angeles County is something like 9% African American/Black. Most Hispanic and Asian minorities I've met tend to assimilate better into the greater culture than Black minorities that I've met who tend. There's blame both ways and literally centuries of issues behind this, I recognize that, but objectively - Black communities tend to blend less than other minorities.

Having lived in the West for most of my life and the Midwest for the past 3 years, I can assure you the racism is similar strength in both regions, it just plays out differently in the Midwest where you have large, isolated and segregated, pockets of Black minority segregated from the greater population vs. the West where you have Hispanic and Asian minorities that tend to have migrant communities in the larger cities, but the 2nd generation often chooses to blend and live among the larger community, just as they do in the Midwest - but in smaller numbers.

Also, that map is misleading - I wouldn't say the west voted against Trump, more that the interior West (largely Mormon) voted disproportionately for Romney.
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Old 04-28-2018, 01:56 AM
 
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There's less racism in the west because there's less racial diversity.



Umm what are you talking about? The West is the most racially diverse/mixed and multicultural region in the entire country. There's less racism in the West because the majority of people who live there are more tolerant and accepting.
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Old 04-28-2018, 02:09 AM
 
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Also, that map is misleading - I wouldn't say the west voted against Trump, more that the interior West (largely Mormon) voted disproportionately for Romney.



Trump's support is concentrated in the Midwest, South, and the Northeast rust belt. Out West, Trump is not well received, the style of conservatism there is "live and let live" compared to the more racial and extreme conservatism in the South or Midwest which is more in line with Trump.




Read this article
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...our-democracy/



In the five states abutting the Pacific Ocean — Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon and Washington — Clinton clobbered Trump by more than 5.1 million votes and beat him by a massive electoral margin of 78 to 3. Including the Mountain States in the mix, she still won by more than 4.6 million votes and by 98 to 30 electoral votes. No matter how you count, this president (who lost nationally by 3 million popular votes) finished a distant second on our side of the Rockies.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:17 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Not true, look at the map more closely. Arizona and Wyoming are both a part of the blue blob and they are not Mormon to my knowledge.
I don't know about Arizona but the western and especially the southwestern part of Wyoming are very Mormon. You're pretty close to Utah there.
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