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Old 04-04-2018, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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...When it comes to the leaders, D.C. is run by mostly native-born Americans, the Bay Area often by immigrants. And D.C. is old, while the Bay Area is young, again showing two opposing poles of the American experience...

Traditionally, Americans have thought of New York City as the countryís cultural and intellectual center. Thatís no longer the case. New York dominates in many areas, most of all the arts, but those are no longer the most influential or innovative parts of the American Zeitgeist.

In my personal opinion, I tend to have the most interesting intellectual conversations in either the Bay Area or near D.C. That was not the case 20 years ago.

To date, these two new cultural and intellectual centers have proceeded on largely separate tracks, each with its own strengths and weaknesses, ignoring each other as much as possible. For the most part, it has been a good bargain, giving the nation the advantage of two distinct ways of thinking, without them stepping on each otherís toes too much.

But that wonít be the case going forward. The law-making and regulatory state will expand to cover more of tech, and tech has scaled so effectively that its products -- such as autonomous cars or the possible ability to influence elections -- are running into more legal and political issues.

Ideally, weíd like a synthesis of the strengths of tech and the legal-based reasoning that dominates the federal government. But the Bay Area and the D.C. area are built on such different principles, and they donít understand each other very well. Itís more likely that we see a rude awakening, as the U.S. realizes its two most influential centers have been pulling the country in opposite directions...
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Old 04-05-2018, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Reno, NV
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Is DC really that old? Coming from Chicago, it seems like young people are everywhere here.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Is DC really that old? Coming from Chicago, it seems like young people are everywhere here.
The city itself has a median age of 33.8. It's actually a pretty young city.
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Old 04-05-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: The Pacific Northwest
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The Bay Area will break apart as the tech industry capital soon, IMO. It’s already happening. Tech doesn’t NEED to be in the Bay Area, and tech is rapidly moving elsewhere. Tech is already exiting the Bay Area with momentum. The Bay Area is still the tech capital for now but it, emphatically, has not consolidated power, and inherently cannot consolidate power the way DC has and can. Amazon is the perfect example of tech POWER that has NEVER relied on the Bay Area and has become one of the most prolific companies in US history. Political power NEEDS to be in DC.

Tech is proliferating across the country. Political power is not. End of story.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:13 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I'm just realizing just how awesome the Bay area is when it comes to American ingenuity.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:20 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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The article made a big mistake about the centrality of intellectual discourse by ignoring NYC. With no disrespect to DC or the Bay, NYC is still the money capital of the US and arguably of world. We also are home to millions of immigrants and visiting foreigners that bring in not just new money, but new ideas. Most importantly, we are not a one-trick pony centered on tech or politics. We have multiple strengths and I’d wager that this combination generates a stronger intellectual current than either DC or the Bay Area.

If the author cannot find continuous, strong, informed, and relevant intellectual activity in New York, he must be looking in the wrong places. And I say all this wit props for DC and San Francisco. They’ve got their charms. But undisputed co-leaders of U.S. intellectualism and interesting ideas? This story is published by a news oraganization founded by an ex-mayor of New York City and based in Manhattan. Need I say more?
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:23 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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The article made a big mistake about the centrality of intellectual discourse by ignoring NYC. With no disrespect to DC or the Bay, NYC is still the money capital of the US and arguably of world. We also are home to millions of immigrants and visiting foreigners that bring in not just new money, but new ideas. Most importantly, we are not a one-trick pony centered on tech or politics. We have multiple strengths and Iíd wager that this combination generates a stronger intellectual current than either DC or the Bay Area.

If the author cannot find continuous, strong, informed, and relevant intellectual activity in New York, he must be looking in the wrong places. And I say all this wit props for DC and San Francisco. Theyíve got their charms. But undisputed co-leaders of U.S. intellectualism and interesting ideas? This story is published by a news oraganization founded by an ex-mayor of New York City and based in Manhattan. Need I say more?
I think per capita terms is what makes these cities relevant.

NYC is simply on top due to having more people, so more odds, but it's not even in the top 10 of per capita productivity.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:29 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Is DC really that old? Coming from Chicago, it seems like young people are everywhere here.
I saw that foolishness, no it's not at all. That alone makes me think about the motive of this author.
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Old 04-06-2018, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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The Bay Area will break apart as the tech industry capital soon, IMO. It’s already happening. Tech doesn’t NEED to be in the Bay Area, and tech is rapidly moving elsewhere. Tech is already exiting the Bay Area with momentum. The Bay Area is still the tech capital for now but it, emphatically, has not consolidated power, and inherently cannot consolidate power the way DC has and can. Amazon is the perfect example of tech POWER that has NEVER relied on the Bay Area and has become one of the most prolific companies in US history. Political power NEEDS to be in DC.

Tech is proliferating across the country. Political power is not. End of story.
Tech may not NEED to be in the Bay Area, but the region will continue to be the center of tech innovation for many years to come simply because of the agglomeration effect resulting from the great numbers of talented individuals and innovative companies located there. While the industry is certainly by its very nature more susceptible to decentralization than most, the fact is that creativity is almost always the product of people working together, trading ideas back and forth and generating the kinds of creativity and excitement that just don't happen over long distances. In addition, there's a considerable symbiosis between the companies located there and the venture capital firms that invest in new enterprises that benefits both and is much less effective if it's conducted from a physical distance. There will always be companies like Amazon that will flourish outside of the Bay Area - many tech firms that specialize in entertainment are headquartered in NYC or LA, for example, and benefit from their proximity to professionals in that industry in those regions - but those aren't really what you might call "hard tech" companies and rely on it as a backbone rather than innovating in tech itself, sort of like the difference between making steel and using steel to build bridges. The only real threat I see in the near future to the Bay Area's tech dominance, at least in the U.S., is the resistance to building new housing - but then, what's unfortunate is that a lot of NIMBY types there would rather the tech industry roll up and go away and leave them to some sort of nostalgic reverie in which Herb Caen is still pounding out three-dot columns and no one can build anything over three stories tall. But those types are dying off over time, and the tide seems to be turning in favor of greater density in tandem with the creation of more affordable housing, so the forecast isn't completely cloudy.
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Old 04-06-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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lol, kind of a dumb article when DC is actually known for their large young professional population. I think even more so than the Bay area
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