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View Poll Results: Are these 11 cities each North or South?
Kansas City, Mo. - It's in the North 108 67.92%
Kansas City, Mo. - It's in the South 23 14.47%
Saint Louis - It's in the North 110 69.18%
Saint Louis - It's in the South 25 15.72%
Cairo, Illinois - It's in the North 59 37.11%
Cairo, Illinois - It's in the South 66 41.51%
Louisville - It's in the North 18 11.32%
Louisville - It's in the South 125 78.62%
Cincinnati - It's in the North 118 74.21%
Cincinnati - It's in the South 18 11.32%
Charleston, West Virginia - It's in the North 21 13.21%
Charleston, West Virginia - It's in the South 115 72.33%
Pittsburgh - It's in the North 138 86.79%
Pittsburgh - It's in the South 1 0.63%
Northern Virginia - It's in the North 81 50.94%
Northern Virginia - It's in the South 61 38.36%
Washington, D.C. - It's in the North 109 68.55%
Washington, D.C. - It's in the South 38 23.90%
Baltimore - It's in the North 113 71.07%
Baltimore - It's in the South 30 18.87%
Wilmington, Delaware - It's in the North 122 76.73%
Wilmington, Delaware - It's in the South 9 5.66%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 159. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-20-2018, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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Also if youíre going to ask if Wilmington is north or south might as well include Philly. Nothing southern about Wilmington!
Except the Census Bureau considers Wilmington a Southern city but Philly a Northern one.

(I agree with you, just listing why they could be considered separate).
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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So was Connecticut but we would never think of them as Southern.
While in the end those laws were similar the literacy test for example was originally implemented to keep Irish immigrants not African Americans from voting so the social context was very dofferent
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:51 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I don't really get Northern Virginia being almost tied (with Southern inching ahead). It's so heavily influenced by DC and is the lower point of the Northeast Corridor. While it may be in a southern state, it's culturally northern IMO because it's a part of the NE Corridor.
You don't have to get too far out of the immediate DC area to be in "Old Virginny".

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Isnít the Midwest considered up north? So most of these are self explanatory.
Yes.

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It's the de facto capital of Appalachia. If you think of West Virginia as Southern because of its Appalachian culture, then it's not a big logical jump to also see Pittsburgh as more culturally Southern.

Pittsburgh is also the closest big city to most of Pennsyltucky, as they call it.
Appalachia extends into New York state. Pittsburgh is hardly "culturally southern". It's heavily Catholic; has a large population of descendants of immigrants from eastern and southern Europe; it's historically industrial, not rural, and is currently more into banking, tech, eds and meds, and so on.

Pennsyltucky is slang. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsyltucky

https://www.arc.gov/appalachian_regi...Appalachia.asp Map of Appalachia
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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It's the de facto capital of Appalachia. If you think of West Virginia as Southern because of its Appalachian culture, then it's not a big logical jump to also see Pittsburgh as more culturally Southern.
Except for two things:


1. Northern West Virginia isn't Southern either.

2. Appalachian culture is as much an anomaly in the South as it is in the North, and is not a monolithic culture from New York to Alabama either.

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Pittsburgh is also the closest big city to most of Pennsyltucky, as they call it.
"Pennsyltucky" is a term used primarily by two different groups of people:


1. Ignorant people in New York, New Jersey and New England who are annoyed that there's still a Northeastern state where right-wing politicians can win elections.

2. Ignorant people in Ohio, Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia who want to pretend that they're more sophisticated than Pennsylvanians while refusing to acknowledge the substantial "redneck" populations in their own states.


It's also an insult to Kentucky, implying that everybody who lives there is a rube too.
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Old 04-20-2018, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Avondale, Chicago
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Why is Pittsburgh even mentioned as being Southern?
There's only so much separation between Pittsburgh and Appalachia.

Also, most Midwest industrial centers took on a lot of people from non-urban Appalachia and the South in the early 20th century.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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There's only so much separation between Pittsburgh and Appalachia.

Also, most Midwest industrial centers took on a lot of people from non-urban Appalachia and the South in the early 20th century.
Appalachian ≠ Southern
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Except for two things:


1. Northern West Virginia isn't Southern either.

2. Appalachian culture is as much an anomaly in the South as it is in the North, and is not a monolithic culture from New York to Alabama either.
Well true, but there is a very common cultural thread that runs through the whole of Appalachia that is uniquely Appalachian. It's probably more similar and less geographically inflected than say, the amorphous Mid-Atlantic region.


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Except for two things:
"Pennsyltucky" is a term used primarily by two different groups of people:


1. Ignorant people in New York, New Jersey and New England who are annoyed that there's still a Northeastern state where right-wing politicians can win elections.

2. Ignorant people in Ohio, Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia who want to pretend that they're more sophisticated than Pennsylvanians while refusing to acknowledge the substantial "redneck" populations in their own states.


It's also an insult to Kentucky, implying that everybody who lives there is a rube too.
Hmm...even Pennsylvanians use the term Pennsyltucky in jest. It's not nice, but I've always understood it as having more to do with the vast difference between urban PA and everything in between, including the idea that the state hates Philly and Pitt, but especially Philly. It's supposed to be funny.

Speaking of Pittsburgh, according to this article - "So Long Yinz, Why City Accents Are Fading in the Midwest" - https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/04...idwest/555152/ the city is Midwestern or at least accent-wise.

To me, it feels like a mix of Midwest/Appalachia/North and South, heavy on the Northern Appalachia. I also think it's one of several cities where it's most similar counterpart might be in another region (Cincinnati), which is also the Midwest. That's still the North though.
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Old 04-20-2018, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Appalachia in a broad sense is strictly a geographic, not cultural, region. Otherwise, we'd see similar cultures in Maine and Alabama, which of course is pretty silly.

There's a portion of Southern Appalachia, namely eastern Kentucky and southern West Virginia, where there's a lot of entrenched poverty and generally unfortunate economic conditions, but it's a far cry from anywhere in states like Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Ohio, despite being relatively close by.

And yes, the term "Pennsyltucky" was coined by Pennsylvanians and often used pejoratively (which is why PA'ns often get defensive when it's used by outsiders). It speaks to some rural parallels between the North and South but is by no means meant to be a literal descriptor.
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Old 04-20-2018, 04:50 PM
 
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It's the de facto capital of Appalachia. If you think of West Virginia as Southern because of its Appalachian culture, then it's not a big logical jump to also see Pittsburgh as more culturally Southern.

Pittsburgh is also the closest big city to most of Pennsyltucky, as they call it.
As others have mentioned Appalachian does not equal Southern. I can't think of a single legitimate reason anyone would consider Pittsburgh a Southern city.
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Old 04-20-2018, 04:57 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Well true, but there is a very common cultural thread that runs through the whole of Appalachia that is uniquely Appalachian. It's probably more similar and less geographically inflected than say, the amorphous Mid-Atlantic region.




Hmm...even Pennsylvanians use the term Pennsyltucky in jest. It's not nice, but I've always understood it as having more to do with the vast difference between urban PA and everything in between, including the idea that the state hates Philly and Pitt, but especially Philly. It's supposed to be funny.

Speaking of Pittsburgh, according to this article - "So Long Yinz, Why City Accents Are Fading in the Midwest" - https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/04...idwest/555152/ the city is Midwestern or at least accent-wise.

To me, it feels like a mix of Midwest/Appalachia/North and South, heavy on the Northern Appalachia. I also think it's one of several cities where it's most similar counterpart might be in another region (Cincinnati), which is also the Midwest. That's still the North though.
I never heard the term "Pennsyltucky" as a child, or even a teen. I was in college before that one crossed my radar screen.

Just another reason to dislike "City Lab". Pittsburgh is not the midwest. The Pittsburgh accent is nothing like the midwestern accents I'm familiar with.
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