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View Poll Results: Are these 11 cities each North or South?
Kansas City, Mo. - It's in the North 108 67.92%
Kansas City, Mo. - It's in the South 23 14.47%
Saint Louis - It's in the North 110 69.18%
Saint Louis - It's in the South 25 15.72%
Cairo, Illinois - It's in the North 59 37.11%
Cairo, Illinois - It's in the South 66 41.51%
Louisville - It's in the North 18 11.32%
Louisville - It's in the South 125 78.62%
Cincinnati - It's in the North 118 74.21%
Cincinnati - It's in the South 18 11.32%
Charleston, West Virginia - It's in the North 21 13.21%
Charleston, West Virginia - It's in the South 115 72.33%
Pittsburgh - It's in the North 138 86.79%
Pittsburgh - It's in the South 1 0.63%
Northern Virginia - It's in the North 81 50.94%
Northern Virginia - It's in the South 61 38.36%
Washington, D.C. - It's in the North 109 68.55%
Washington, D.C. - It's in the South 38 23.90%
Baltimore - It's in the North 113 71.07%
Baltimore - It's in the South 30 18.87%
Wilmington, Delaware - It's in the North 122 76.73%
Wilmington, Delaware - It's in the South 9 5.66%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 159. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-20-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Just another reason to dislike "City Lab". Pittsburgh is not the midwest. The Pittsburgh accent is nothing like the midwestern accents I'm familiar with.
City Lab has some interesting stories, but yeah, a little lazy/classic dismissive East Coasters at times when it comes to generalizing places.

Pittsburgh has a Midland dialect, but not Midwestern. Very distinct difference. I'll trust the folks who've actually researched this at length:



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Old 04-20-2018, 08:00 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^That map is pretty general. See the enlarged map in this link: https://www.google.com/search?q=pitt...O_KFnFX8TFjnM:

It shows the Pittsburgh area as having a distinct accent, which is correct. My accent is much different from my husband's lower midwest accent (Omaha, NE), which are the same on the previous map.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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People are silly, Northern Virginia is the south.

People are choosing wrong because they are comparing NOVA to MD/PA/DE/NJ. All places significantly changed by the Great Migration between 1900-1930 (and then 1939-1945) which brought many aspects of Southern Culture to the Northern States. So the only reason they think its Northern is because they are comparing it to a region of the North that was diluted by Southerners the two generations before the Southward Migration of the last 50 years.

Compared to New England NOVA is much more like the Deep South.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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I never heard the term "Pennsyltucky" as a child, or even a teen. I was in college before that one crossed my radar screen.

Just another reason to dislike "City Lab". Pittsburgh is not the midwest. The Pittsburgh accent is nothing like the midwestern accents I'm familiar with.
First time I heard the term was out of James Carville's mouth during the 2008 election campaign. I thought perhaps he coined it, as he's a witty guy.
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Old 04-20-2018, 08:58 PM
 
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^^That map is pretty general. See the enlarged map in this link: https://www.google.com/search?q=pitt...O_KFnFX8TFjnM:

It shows the Pittsburgh area as having a distinct accent, which is correct. My accent is much different from my husband's lower midwest accent (Omaha, NE), which are the same on the previous map.
Interesting to compare your map with duderino's. I wonder if his was based on Labov's work. I believe it was Labov who observed the accent shared by the big cities along the Great lakes, essentially Rochester/Buffalo/Cleveland/Detroit/Chicago/Milwaukee. He mentioned the anomaly of Erie NOT sharing this accent despite being in the path of the accent among the aforementioned cities.

Also, I've seen maps that show Pittsburgh as a distinct isolated accent island among the Midland accent area. I'd agree with that, having traveled, visited and lived extensively in those areas of the country.
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Old 04-20-2018, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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As others have mentioned Appalachian does not equal Southern. I can't think of a single legitimate reason anyone would consider Pittsburgh a Southern city.
Then what makes West Virginia 'Southern'?
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Old 04-20-2018, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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First time I heard the term was out of James Carville's mouth during the 2008 election campaign. I thought perhaps he coined it, as he's a witty guy.
No. It's very old.

Look at the name of the ship (0:31) in this old Popeye cartoon:

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Old 04-20-2018, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Then what makes West Virginia 'Southern'?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultur...#West_Virginia
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:14 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Then what makes West Virginia 'Southern'?
It's only partially Southern. Southern West Virginia is Southern, but northern West Virginia is not.
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Old 04-20-2018, 11:27 PM
 
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People are silly, Northern Virginia is the south.

People are choosing wrong because they are comparing NOVA to MD/PA/DE/NJ. All places significantly changed by the Great Migration between 1900-1930 (and then 1939-1945) which brought many aspects of Southern Culture to the Northern States. So the only reason they think its Northern is because they are comparing it to a region of the North that was diluted by Southerners the two generations before the Southward Migration of the last 50 years.

Compared to New England NOVA is much more like the Deep South.
Good luck telling someone from Fairfax that. I have a feeling that will be a very short conversation
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