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Well, who knows better than those who are, as you say, "in it"?
They can hope for their reputation to be whatever they want. Residents are certainly the most accurate as far as what goes on in their city. That does not mean that's how they're seen from elsewhere.
For what it's worth, when I hear San Jose, I think of the Sharks and Brent Burns.
They can hope for their reputation to be whatever they want. Residents are certainly the most accurate as far as what goes on in their city. That does not mean that's how they're seen from elsewhere.
For what it's worth, when I hear San Jose, I think of the Sharks and Brent Burns.
Yup, and a sprawling city more reminiscent of LA than of the Bay Area.
You're really dating yourself. With the recent success of the Cavs and the Indians, I doubt if too many persons, except Cleveland haters, would attempt to associate Cleveland today with losing sports teams, despite the Browns' depth of despair, and the Browns may well have turned the corner with the hiring of John Dorsey as its GM. The Browns definitely will field a much, much better roster this season than in the last two years.
I'll bet the majority of Clevelanders, especially those under 50-years-old, have any memory of Danny Greene, despite the movie "Kill the Irishman," which I didn't even know about until I did a web search for Greene in order to ascertain when he was murdered.
The mob is long gone from Cleveland. And I don't believe that Cleveland has a surviving mob reputation comparable to Chicago, Las Vegas, or New York City.
For many Cleveland old-timers, the Theatrical restaurant mentioned in the above article is long missed. Despite the massive transformation of downtown Cleveland, with scores of acclaimed restaurants, breweries, etc., I don't believe there is anything quite like the Theatrical in today's Cleveland, certainly not with the local personalities, such as sportscaster Gib Shanley, who regularly held court there.
Yes, we still celebrate the burning of the Cuyahoga River, even though it's been cleaned up and now is a surprising recreational venue downtown, with the entire East Flats recently rebuilt. Cleveland's sole fire boat sits idle.
Cleveland today likely is best known for its MLB, NBA, and NFL pro sports franchises and as the home of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum.
Cleveland is the home of the internationally renowned Cleveland Clinic and the Global Center for Health Innovation.
Among more cultured circles, Cleveland is known as one of the nation's great cultural centers.
The Cleveland Orchestra is ranked among the best in the world, and perhaps the best in the U.S. It arguably, with Severance Hall and Blossom Music Center, has the best facilities of any U.S. orchestra.
The Cleveland Museum of Art is one of the nation's best encyclopedic art museums, renown for its Asian collections, with acclaimed leadership in art museum digital technology.
Cleveland is one of the few major cities in the U.S. with a national park within 30 minutes of its downtown, and which can easily be biked from downtown.
Cleveland's foodie reputation rests on the presence of the West Side Market, one of the best public food market houses in the U.S., and on its "mod ethnic" cuisine. Cleveland also has an acclaimed beer reputation.
Cleveland is closely associated with Cedar Point, the roller coaster capital of the world, one hour to the west of downtown, with Canton's Pro Football Hall of Fame (which offers combo ticket packages with the Rock Hall), and Ohio Amish Country, the largest Amish community in the world.
^^^Less of a "what a city is known for" post than a Cleveland tourism bureau post.
Here is what Cleveland conjures for me:
Sports futility
Burning Cuyahoga
Rock & Roll Museum
Snow
Great Lakes Brewery
Chief Wahoo
Lake Erie
Terminal Tower (great building, unfortunate name)
The Flats (although long gone)
Top-notch symphony
You're right that Pekar probably isn't sufficiently well known to add to Cleveland's fame. Ditto, with "American Splendor," perhaps the most heartfelt movie ever made about Cleveland.
Strangely, Cleveland probably is better known for "Major League," which does capture some of the Cleveland ethos, at least prior to the Cavaliers' capturing the NBA championship in 2016.
"Draft Day" also has become a staple at the time of the NFL draft every year.
"Major League" and "Draft Day" suggests that at least Hollywood associates Cleveland with a certain determined grittiness.
Major sports cities are identified with their greatest sports heroes.
In Cleveland, these would include Cy Young (whose association with the Cleveland Spiders strangely leaves him in limbo with the Indians), Bob Feller, Jesse Owens, Paul Brown, Jim Brown, and LeBron James. Owens and James are probably the only two with a global reputation.
Speaking of heroes, Superman was born in Cleveland, but I'm not certain if that's common knowledge in the U.S., let alone globally. It appears likely within a decade that Cleveland will place a Superman statue in a prominent space, and there has been repeated discussions about building a Superman museum (likely waiting upon the perfection of holographic technology).
^^^Less of a "what a city is known for" post than a Cleveland tourism bureau post.
Here is what Cleveland conjures for me:
Sports futility
Burning Cuyahoga
Rock & Roll Museum
Snow
Great Lakes Brewery
Chief Wahoo
Lake Erie
Terminal Tower (great building, unfortunate name)
The Flats (although long gone)
Top-notch symphony
Sports futility??? Have you checked the records of the Cavaliers and the Indians in recent years? The Browns may still have more NFL championships than any other team (I didn't look it up), even though the last championship was won in 1964, and they never appeared in the Super Bowl, thanks to the great Cleveland traitor Art Modell. In fact, Cleveland may remain famous for Art Modell, at least among NFL fans.
And you obviously know little about Cleveland if you believe the Flats are long gone.
Both the West Flats and East Flats collectively likely have never been better.
When it comes to snow, Cleveland is not Erie, PA, or Buffalo, NY, both of which sit downwind of the length of Lake Erie and its fearsome lake effect snow machine. Cleveland, with a more southerly location, receives much less snow.
See "Precipitation" here. With global warming, Cleveland and Ohio winters are becoming much more mild.
Many delegates to the Republican National Convention held in Cleveland stayed in Sandusky.
Clevelanders associate Cedar Point with Cleveland, and anybody who knows Clevelanders knows that we associate Cedar Point with Cleveland. Cedar Point is only one hour from Public Square in downtown Cleveland.
Parties, Balls, Parades.
Food (especially creole and seafood)
Louisiana purchase
Mardi Gras
Bourbon Street
Voodoo, ghost, vampires, weird stuff.
Cemeteries, above ground graves
Charming French and Spanish architecture
Jazz
Flooding
Katrina
Jackson Square
Cafe Du Monde
Pralines
The Saints
Alcohol: hurricane, old fashioned and other drinks
Banana Foster
More New Orleans:
Cajun and blackened food, especially redfish
Beignets, Crawfish, Pralines, Remoulade
Hurricanes, including the cocktail originated at Pat O'Brien's; to go cups
Andrew Jackson (Jackson Square), Jean Laffite and the Battle of New Orleans
Most cities have sports heroes, but New Orleans has music heroes, such as Louis Armstrong, the Marsalis brothers, Al Hirt, and Pete Fountain, and Louis Armstrong's fame may live long beyond that of any American sports hero, as he created some of America's most iconic musical performances.
Sports futility??? Have you checked the records of the Cavaliers and the Indians in recent years? The Browns may still have more NFL championships than any other team (I didn't look it up), even though the last championship was won in 1964, and they never appeared in the Super Bowl, thanks to the great Cleveland traitor Art Modell. In fact, Cleveland may remain famous for Art Modell, at least among NFL fans.
And you obviously know little about Cleveland if you believe the Flats are long gone.
Both the West Flats and East Flats collectively likely have never been better.
When it comes to snow, Cleveland is not Erie, PA, or Buffalo, NY, both of which sit downwind of the length of Lake Erie and its fearsome lake effect snow machine. Cleveland, with a more southerly location, receives much less snow.
See "Precipitation" here. With global warming, Cleveland and Ohio winters are becoming much more mild.
No, you're wrong about the sports aspect. They're finally rising in sports, but before you cavalierly (see what I did there?) start putting the Indians on the winning side of the slate, I think they need to win a World Series. I will give you that Cavs and their *one* Finals win and recent Finals appearances, but beyond that, Cleveland over the last 25+ years has been the poster child for pro sports futility. The Browns are a hot mess wreck, somehow even more futile than the Lions and ... you don't have an NHL team. I know why (god help them) Cleveland folks attach themselves to the Buckeyes because they are the only sports outfit that wins consistently in Ohio.
I guess the snow thing is somewhat arbitrary based on where in Cleveland one lives but I can guarantee you that south Cleveland suburbs get a heck of a lot more snow than most northern areas. Might just be the single suburb that I visit from late Nov. through March that *always* has snow on the ground. Please correct me.
And btw, for the purposes of this thread, i.e., "things that cities are famous"..., well, the Flats *are* long gone. They may have revitalized but people remember the collective, bar-fueled, liquor-stupored, 6 acres of run down Flats.
I'm not trying to dump on Cleveburg (I have a vague soft spot for it) but these are just facts. My wife is from Cleveland and I'm there at least twice a year and that's over many years. I may not be a Cleveland expert, but I know it enough. You're a bit sensitive. It helps to listen to someone from the outside a bit.
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