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Old 04-29-2018, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I would say Utah and Oklahoma are very similar in this regard. In Utah it’s the Mormon church and in Oklahoma it’s the Baptist church. The Mormons at least place a higher value on education than the Baptists.
We were in Utah last week. They wouldn't bring my husband another alcoholic drink until he'd completely finished his first and they had taken it off the table. That was a first for me, and we've been there several times (guess DH always finished his previous drink before ordering another one, LOL).

And yet, you can drive 80 on the Interstates, so they do have that going for them...
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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We were in Utah last week. They wouldn't bring my husband another alcoholic drink until he'd completely finished his first and they had taken it off the table. That was a first for me, and we've been there several times (guess DH always finished his previous drink before ordering another one, LOL).

And yet, you can drive 80 on the Interstates, so they do have that going for them...
That is ridiculous. Utah also will not allow beer on tap over 3.2%. Oklahoma's liquor laws are identical to Utah's in most ways but at least Oklahoma doesn't go that far.

Utah is a beautiful state but I would never live there due to the dominance of the Mormon church on their politics. When I leave Oklahoma I plan to go somewhere at least half-way secular.
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Old 04-29-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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I would say Utah and Oklahoma are very similar in this regard. In Utah it’s the Mormon church and in Oklahoma it’s the Baptist church. The Mormons at least place a higher value on education than the Baptists.
The education aspect is true. I'll take your word on the rest of what you said about Oklahoma as I have little experience with that state. One religious aspect to my state are the blue laws on Sunday store openings. Personally, I don't mind places opening until noon. It doesn't include grocery stores, restaurants, gas stations, pharmacies, or tourist attractions.
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Old 04-29-2018, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, Commonwealth of Virginia
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I left Oklahoma for Northern Virginia precisely because of the oppressive religious culture.

All my high school best friends went to Oral Roberts University in Tulsa and came out as right-wing religious zombies. I can't even play video games with them anymore without them thanking God for some nonsense reason.
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:14 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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I left Oklahoma for Northern Virginia precisely because of the oppressive religious culture.

All my high school best friends went to Oral Roberts University in Tulsa and came out as right-wing religious zombies. I can't even play video games with them anymore without them thanking God for some nonsense reason.
I find it quite ironic being that when I was in high school, I was always the goody-good religious guy who stuck to the rules and never had any fun while most of my peers were rebelling. Since moving back to Oklahoma in 2012 (the worst decision I ever made), I have discovered most of my high school classmates who were the "bad kids" back then are now Jesus freaks. Meanwhile, I've become much less religious. Oklahoma and the way the culture here is has actually turned me against religion.

I'm stuck in OKC unfortunately for two more years but after that I'm getting out and this time I'm never looking back.
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Old 04-29-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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I find it quite ironic being that when I was in high school, I was always the goody-good religious guy who stuck to the rules and never had any fun while most of my peers were rebelling. Since moving back to Oklahoma in 2012 (the worst decision I ever made), I have discovered most of my high school classmates who were the "bad kids" back then are now Jesus freaks. Meanwhile, I've become much less religious. Oklahoma and the way the culture here is has actually turned me against religion.

I'm stuck in OKC unfortunately for two more years but after that I'm getting out and this time I'm never looking back.
That's interesting, because the conservative movement seems to have gotten less religious to me. The right wing seems to be accepting of white, conservative atheists.
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Old 04-29-2018, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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We were in Utah last week. They wouldn't bring my husband another alcoholic drink until he'd completely finished his first and they had taken it off the table. That was a first for me, and we've been there several times (guess DH always finished his previous drink before ordering another one, LOL).

And yet, you can drive 80 on the Interstates, so they do have that going for them...
Also in Utah, drinks can be served, but not seen. Bartenders have to mix drinks out of the public eye. At least they no longer have the law requirement to buy membership to an imaginary "club" in order to drink in public.
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Old 04-30-2018, 04:46 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Also in Utah, drinks can be served, but not seen. Bartenders have to mix drinks out of the public eye. At least they no longer have the law requirement to buy membership to an imaginary "club" in order to drink in public.
The Zion curtain. I remember that. The imaginary club thing was bizarre too.
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Old 04-30-2018, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Also in Utah, drinks can be served, but not seen. Bartenders have to mix drinks out of the public eye. At least they no longer have the law requirement to buy membership to an imaginary "club" in order to drink in public.
I've had to actually do the same in certain locations smack dab in the middle of Houston (some areas of the Heights, if anyone is familiar with the city). Most recently was just about 2 years ago.

On the other end of the spectrum, we lived in Missouri for several years, and you could buy hard liquor at convenience and grocery stores. Perhaps a bit interesting, because MO was (is) pretty conservative as well.
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Old 04-30-2018, 12:35 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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On the other end of the spectrum, we lived in Missouri for several years, and you could buy hard liquor at convenience and grocery stores. Perhaps a bit interesting, because MO was (is) pretty conservative as well.
Only the bottom third of Missouri is dominated by Baptists however. Missouri's two major cities are quite progressive. Oklahoma's archaic liquor laws are mostly due to the influence of the Southern Baptist church on the state government. Oklahoma is also unique in that its cities aren't much more liberal than the rural areas.
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