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Old 05-01-2018, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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Las Vegas has much of what you are looking for but it has a very high male sex ratio. I lived there most of my life and its a total sausage party...one exception is the casinos that cater to locals....a lot of the compulsive slot players are female. I would also say Vegas is libertarian in culture but like anywhere you won't find a lot of political oriented libertarians. It's not an especially educated place and many people there won't even know what Libertarianism is.
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Old 05-01-2018, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Montana? You're probably going to have to stay out West either way. The Southern and Great Plains states are much looser on gun laws but very religious. Colorado is becoming more liberal with the influx from California and other states, but still pretty libertarian (which is what led them to being the first legal weed state in the first place).
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Old 05-01-2018, 06:10 PM
 
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Las Vegas has much of what you are looking for but it has a very high male sex ratio. I lived there most of my life and its a total sausage party...one exception is the casinos that cater to locals....a lot of the compulsive slot players are female. I would also say Vegas is libertarian in culture but like anywhere you won't find a lot of political oriented libertarians. It's not an especially educated place and many people there won't even know what Libertarianism is.
I think most people don't really understand libertarianism.

For instance, I was taking to some progressives one time and I had to explain to them that they actually don't hold the libertarian stance on marijuana. Progressives seem to want marijuana to be heavily regulated and taxed, while libertarians don't think the government should be involved in marijuana (or drugs in general) at all.
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Old 05-01-2018, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Las Vegas has much of what you are looking for but it has a very high male sex ratio. I lived there most of my life and its a total sausage party...one exception is the casinos that cater to locals....a lot of the compulsive slot players are female. I would also say Vegas is libertarian in culture but like anywhere you won't find a lot of political oriented libertarians. It's not an especially educated place and many people there won't even know what Libertarianism is.
I appreciate this perspective on Las Vegas and it was kind of what I was fearing of relocating to this area. I have to be honest, outside of Nevada's laws, I don't know how much I would love the element of people in Vegas. I've heard it is becoming more of a real city and not just a tourist trap now, but I am not sure how much of a city it really is. Also, being in a constant crazy party is not my ideal of a well rounded life. I enjoy some partying and love having a good time, but I also like nice quiet evening strolls and maybe just relax and meet people for a drink and have intellectual conversations, etc. Also, living in Boise, I got real sick of sausage fests, aggressive guys fighting over girls (or just people fighting over little idiotic things), cliquey groups of grown men who still act like they are in a college fraternity, getting c*ck-blocked left and right and other symptoms of too much testosterone without enough estrogen present. However, I have to say I am shocked at what kind of house I can get in Vegas for even $1400/mo and I do like desert weather. I don't mind heat, although if it gets over 105F I do get a bit uncomfortable, but prefer that to endless cold and dreariness.


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I think most people don't really understand libertarianism.

For instance, I was taking to some progressives one time and I had to explain to them that they actually don't hold the libertarian stance on marijuana. Progressives seem to want marijuana to be heavily regulated and taxed, while libertarians don't think the government should be involved in marijuana (or drugs in general) at all.
Yep, I totally agree with you here. I think the government should keep its nose out of our lives as much as possible. My belief is that people should be able to grow as many marijuana plants as they want, just like they can grow as many tomato plants as they want. We don't need Big Brother swindling anymore from us than he already is doing. However, I guess beggars cannot be choosers and regulating and taxation is better than an outright ban. On that note, Colorado is nice because you can grow without a permit, but Colorado has plenty of taxes and cost a fortune to live to make up for that luxury of permitless growing. I live in the part of Washington that is known to have the lowest prices and taxes on cannabis, since each county and even city has its own local cannabis taxes. It is nice having access to the cheapest weed in Washington.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Colorado Springs is going to fit you much better culturally than Denver. It has a HUGE gun culture due to the very large military presence, rivalling, if not surpassing Vegas. There's shooting areas all over. Like Vegas, the M:F ratio is a bit sucky on the younger end due to soldiers usually being male. At older ages, the ratio balances more. And there may not be many Jewish institutions.

BUT, there should be enough of an IT software presence in the area. It's got better outdoor access than Denver or Vegas (assuming you want plants with your outdoors ) There's a big evangelical presence, but they aren't mixed with the politics and there's a strong non religious counter presence. A lot of your other cities have big evangelical presences too. The cannabis, bars, strip clubs, music scene boxes are all checked by CO Springs as well.

I'd pick Vegas or CO Springs or exurb Denver. Maybe Albequerque too?
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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I didn't realize Boise was a sausage fest. I looked up the gender stats and yes it is...the same as Las Vegas. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. All fast growing, booming areas of the West have a surplus of men. I read that Washington State is projected to have more men than women for the first time in 50+ years...mostly driven by tech workers moving to Seattle.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I didn't realize Boise was a sausage fest. I looked up the gender stats and yes it is...the same as Las Vegas. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. All fast growing, booming areas of the West have a surplus of men. I read that Washington State is projected to have more men than women for the first time in 50+ years...mostly driven by tech workers moving to Seattle.
The OP's wish list profile fits men much more often than it fits females, so it would make sense that places good for those things would have more men.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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I didn't realize Boise was a sausage fest. I looked up the gender stats and yes it is...the same as Las Vegas. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. All fast growing, booming areas of the West have a surplus of men. I read that Washington State is projected to have more men than women for the first time in 50+ years...mostly driven by tech workers moving to Seattle.
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The OP's wish list profile fits men much more often than it fits females, so it would make sense that places good for those things would have more men.

I didn't realize how horrible the gender ratio was in Seattle until I went back to Portland to visit my parents after not being there for many years. Portland is somewhat my other hometown, as I lived there for over 15 years and moved there when I was 19. I grew up in a small little pagan hippie town in Southern Oregon named Ashland. Portland is hardly a city with an excess of females, but wow, I was shocked when walking around to see large numbers of women everywhere. As well, I didn't see the huge groups of men walking around like I would see all over Seattle. In Seattle, there is just men everywhere. It is a city of men. Boise and Seattle are a funny contrast, despite being both male dominated cities. Unlike Boise, which seems to be way more aggressive alpha-male type of atmosphere, Seattle has more of the reserved shy, beta-male type of guys who are more nerdy and into techie stuff. However, Seattle has way more wealthy guys who will toss money at the first pretty girl they see, which attracts some undesirable female types to the city as well. However, both cities seem to cater to the male population more than the female.

I know lots of women I met complain how getting a good job in Seattle or Boise was a challenge. However, the last 6-7 years I have spent in very male dominated cities, Seattle and Boise. So, going to Portland it was a shock to see there are places in the country where there are not huge swaths of men. In Seattle, everywhere you go, the bars, coffeeshops, software meetup groups (haha, duh ) , etc there are way more men than women around. In Portland, you will not see this and it is more common to see groups of females doing activities and in bars, etc. It was a shock to me and I almost felt like a kid in a candy store after 6+ years in manville . It's unfortunate though, that most of the places that cater to my desires do seem to attract much more men than women.

If it wasn't the fact that Oregon has become so Californicated with its politics and didn't have these radical liberal zealots now trying to push gun confiscation/Assault Weapon Bans, etc, I would have gladly moved back to Portland area, although I would stay on the Vancouver side. Vancouver, WA would have been the most ideal libertarian environment had it not been for the takeover of our state government by radical fascists from California and East Coast (mostly NY, NJ, MA, CT people), along with a few homegrown radicals who were inspired by the outsiders.

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Colorado Springs is going to fit you much better culturally than Denver. It has a HUGE gun culture due to the very large military presence, rivalling, if not surpassing Vegas. There's shooting areas all over. Like Vegas, the M:F ratio is a bit sucky on the younger end due to soldiers usually being male. At older ages, the ratio balances more. And there may not be many Jewish institutions.

BUT, there should be enough of an IT software presence in the area. It's got better outdoor access than Denver or Vegas (assuming you want plants with your outdoors ) There's a big evangelical presence, but they aren't mixed with the politics and there's a strong non religious counter presence. A lot of your other cities have big evangelical presences too. The cannabis, bars, strip clubs, music scene boxes are all checked by CO Springs as well.

I'd pick Vegas or CO Springs or exurb Denver. Maybe Albequerque too?
As much as I hate to say it though, freedom takes precedence over a good dating scene. Even though I would like to have some relationships with a few nice females, I'm planning on never getting married and will stay a bachelor forever, by my own desire. I'd probably just want open type of relationships and don't want to be bound by any legal documents that make me a slave to the government via a marriage/common law relationship. So, places like Denver or Colorado Springs are certainly options for me. I know Denver is pretty male dominated just like Seattle. I'd probably avoid living in Colorado Springs, because I already live in a military town and I just cannot live in another one. Trying to date in a military town is just a real headache and people in military towns tend to be quite monogamous and get married quickly after dating. At least that is how it is in the South Puget Sound. I'm shocked at how every girl I meet, even in early 20s is married and has multiple kids. As far as Colorado Springs being Liberatarian, I may have to challenge that notion. Yes, I have heard there is a Libertarian presence, but the city of COlorado Springs has banned all recreational marijuana stores. You can only purchase MJ in Colorado Springs if you are a medical patient, which is a no go for me. Therefore, if I lived in the Springs I'd have to drive up for Denver if I was to buy weed. That doesn't make a Libertarian person like me happy. However, I do have to say Colorado Springs looks way more beautiful than Denver area and is closer to the mountains and beautiful scenery.

As far as New Mexico, I think the only place I would desire to live in Santa Fe, but that is expensive and would also suck for a single guy being a smaller town. As well, New Mexico has pretty restrictive gun laws. You can only carry one handgun concealed at a time and you are only allowed to carry a handgun that you registered when applying for your conceal handgun permit. Basically, every time you get a new handgun or change handguns for carrying you have to go through the conceal carry process all over again. Those laws just suck to me. I guess it beats other places though. New Mexico doesn't have legal weed either.. I might as well just live in Colorado if I am going to be in that part of the country.

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Old 05-02-2018, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Prescott Valley, AZ
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I didn't realize how horrible the gender ratio was in Seattle until I went back to Portland to visit my parents after not being there for many years. Portland is somewhat my other hometown, as I lived there for over 15 years and moved there when I was 19. I grew up in a small little pagan hippie town in Southern Oregon named Ashland. Portland is hardly a city with an excess of females, but wow, I was shocked when walking around to see large numbers of women everywhere. As well, I didn't see the huge groups of men walking around like I would see all over Seattle. In Seattle, there is just men everywhere. It is a city of men. Boise and Seattle are a funny contrast, despite being both male dominated cities. Unlike Boise, which seems to be way more aggressive alpha-male type of atmosphere, Seattle has more of the reserved shy, beta-male type of guys who are more nerdy and into techie stuff. However, Seattle has way more wealthy guys who will toss money at the first pretty girl they see, which attracts some undesirable female types to the city as well. However, both cities seem to cater to the male population more than the female.

I know lots of women I met complain how getting a good job in Seattle or Boise was a challenge. However, the last 6-7 years I have spent in very male dominated cities, Seattle and Boise. So, going to Portland it was a shock to see there are places in the country where there are not huge swaths of men. In Seattle, everywhere you go, the bars, coffeeshops, software meetup groups (haha, duh ) , etc there are way more men than women around. In Portland, you will not see this and it is more common to see groups of females doing activities and in bars, etc. It was a shock to me and I almost felt like a kid in a candy store after 6+ years in manville . It's unfortunate though, that most of the places that cater to my desires do seem to attract much more men than women.

If it wasn't the fact that Oregon has become so Californicated with its politics and didn't have these radical liberal zealots now trying to push gun confiscation/Assault Weapon Bans, etc, I would have gladly moved back to Portland area, although I would stay on the Vancouver side. Vancouver, WA would have been the most ideal libertarian environment had it not been for the takeover of our state government by radical fascists from California and East Coast (mostly NY, NJ, MA, CT people), along with a few homegrown radicals who were inspired by the outsiders.


As much as I hate to say it though, freedom takes precedence over a good dating scene. Even though I would like to have some relationships with a few nice females, I'm planning on never getting married and will stay a bachelor forever, by my own desire. I'd probably just want open type of relationships and don't want to be bound by any legal documents that make me a slave to the government via a marriage/common law relationship. So, places like Denver or Colorado Springs are certainly options for me. I know Denver is pretty male dominated just like Seattle. I'd probably avoid living in Colorado Springs, because I already live in a military town and I just cannot live in another one. Trying to date in a military town is just a real headache and people in military towns tend to be quite monogamous and get married quickly after dating. At least that is how it is in the South Puget Sound. I'm shocked at how every girl I meet, even in early 20s is married and has multiple kids. As far as Colorado Springs being Liberatarian, I may have to challenge that notion. Yes, I have heard there is a Libertarian presence, but the city of COlorado Springs has banned all recreational marijuana stores. You can only purchase MJ in Colorado Springs if you are a medical patient, which is a no go for me. Therefore, if I lived in the Springs I'd have to drive up for Denver if I was to buy weed. That doesn't make a Libertarian person like me happy. However, I do have to say Colorado Springs looks way more beautiful than Denver area and is closer to the mountains and beautiful scenery.

As far as New Mexico, I think the only place I would desire to live in Santa Fe, but that is expensive and would also suck for a single guy being a smaller town. As well, New Mexico has pretty restrictive gun laws. You can only carry one handgun concealed at a time and you are only allowed to carry a handgun that you registered when applying for your conceal handgun permit. Basically, every time you get a new handgun or change handguns for carrying you have to go through the conceal carry process all over again. Those laws just suck to me. I guess it beats other places though. New Mexico doesn't have legal weed either.. I might as well just live in Colorado if I am going to be in that part of the country.
Sounds like you're red pilled to the bone and a MGTOW person. More power to you.
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Old 05-02-2018, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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Nashville is good but its a long way from the PNW to move. I actually met some PNW transplants here and they love it but they don't have a lot of them, way more California and NY transplants in Nashville than from PNW.
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