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The official state meal of Oklahoma consists of fried okra, cornbread, barbecue pork, squash, biscuits, sausage and gravy, grits, corn, strawberries (state fruit), chicken fried steak, pecan pie, and black-eyed peas.
If that ain't southern then butter my backside and call me a biscuit!
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But that food is much more associated with the south now.
CORN!? SQUASH!? Nooooooo.
Absolutely not, if people think those two things are southern they are out of their minds. Most corn is grown in the north, for... corn's sake! And breeds of squash have been a northern staple since the Europeans first ate native foods in NEW ENGLAND.
Sausage with gravy, I can understand the immediate thought being that of southern variety. However, bangers and mash, my friend. Sausage, brown gravy, potato. English food that carried over to the northeast.
The official state meal of Oklahoma consists of fried okra, cornbread, barbecue pork, squash, biscuits, sausage and gravy, grits, corn, strawberries (state fruit), chicken fried steak, pecan pie, and black-eyed peas.
If that ain't southern then butter my backside and call me a biscuit!
The only parts of that meal that are inherently southern are the fried okra, grits, and black-eyed peas. Everything else is very, very common in the Midwest and probably the country as a whole.
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Dallas-Fort Worth ain't Midwestern, any more than Tampa or Phoenix is Midwestern.
What do you mean? Dallas-Fort Worth is just like Cleveland, Chicago and Milwaukee!
I don't get it either. DFW is pretty dang southern. Not to mention even further south than Atlanta, Birmingham, Nashville, and a host of other southern cities. Even the northern most point of Texas is as far south as Tennessee.
Midwestern it ain't. Not a single inch.
Texas is southern. Whether that means southeast or southwest is up for discussion but it's plain old southern and nothing else either way.
Absolutely not, if people think those two things are southern they are out of their minds. Most corn is grown in the north, for... corn's sake! And breeds of squash have been a northern staple since the Europeans first ate native foods in NEW ENGLAND.
Sausage with gravy, I can understand the immediate thought being that of southern variety. However, bangers and mash, my friend. Sausage, brown gravy, potato. English food that carried over to the northeast.
Corn (and potatoes) is a staple food throughout North America. I don't think it matters where most of it is commercially grown, especially when foods like cornbread and grits are still synonymous with the south even in 2018.
I will concede that squash isn't as popular down south anymore. I usually only see the older folks preparing it. Most people everywhere seem to prefer using zucchinis though.
Dallas-Fort Worth ain't Midwestern, any more than Tampa or Phoenix is Midwestern.
Dallas isn't Midwestern, but it's a hell of a lot more like the Midwest than either of those places, and frankly it has more in common with say Kansas City than it would either Tampa or Phoenix.
A lot of northern Texas bears a pretty strong resemblance to parts of the Midwest, and the culture is more similar than many seem to realize. At least the Plains Midwest. It's definitely different from Ohio or Michigan.
There's a lot of longitudinal overlap through the central US that washes out the differences in latitude. Then again, a lot of the Midwest is really in the eastern US.
Dallas isn't Midwestern, but it's a hell of a lot more like the Midwest than either of those places, and frankly it has more in common with say Kansas City than it would either Tampa or Phoenix.
A lot of northern Texas bears a pretty strong resemblance to parts of the Midwest, and the culture is more similar than many seem to realize. At least the Plains Midwest. It's definitely different from Ohio or Michigan.
There's a lot of longitudinal overlap through the central US that washes out the differences in latitude. Then again, a lot of the Midwest is really in the eastern US.
Having grown up between DFW/OKC and Wichita this "longitudinal overlap" is pretty evident. And it's NOT really a southern/northern thing as much as it is a plains thing. In particular, FW, OKC and Wichita share a lot of similarity that way. They are all in the central plains. Share similar weather, topography, traditional economies are similar. There are certainly differences but DFW shares some similarity to it's plains neighbors to the north. IMO probably almost as much as it does to it's southern relatives to it's east and south. Not quite, but almost.
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