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Old 10-01-2018, 08:42 PM
 
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I think that many Rust Belt cities tend to be under rated/overlooked simply because 1. they are in the Rust Belt and/or 2. people place more emphasis on the negatives of cities like Detroit/Toledo/Cleveland etc. than they do the positives.
I think these cities were underrated even before their de-industrialization. Cities with many factories, steel mills, railyards and other industrial operations were looked down on as having large populations of low educational attainment, smog, polluted rivers, etc. While some of this is undoubtably true, many of these cities also had pleasant middle and upper class neighborhoods and suburbs, beautiful extensive parklands and recreational facilities, good school systems, first rate cultural assets and generally well paid workers at all levels, making for robust economies.
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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I think these cities were underrated even before their de-industrialization. Cities with many factories, steel mills, railyards and other industrial operations were looked down on as having large populations of low educational attainment, smog, polluted rivers, etc. While some of this is undoubtably true, many of these cities also had pleasant middle and upper class neighborhoods and suburbs, beautiful extensive parklands and recreational facilities, good school systems, first rate cultural assets and generally well paid workers at all levels, making for robust economies.
Just to add to this, many have many good institutions of higher learning that attract people from all over the country, if not world, as well.


Many still have pleasant middle and upper middle class neighborhoods such as Detroit's Sherwood Forest/University District/Palmer Woods concentration, Buffalo's Parkside/Park Meadow/Central Park concentration, much of SE Rochester, much of Syracuse's East Side(Meadowbrook/Scottholm/Bradford Hills/University Area concentration), among others off the top of my head, that are within city limits of Rust Belt cities.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:09 AM
 
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Just to add to this, many have many good institutions of higher learning that attract people from all over the country, if not world, as well.


Many still have pleasant middle and upper middle class neighborhoods such as Detroit's Sherwood Forest/University District/Palmer Woods concentration, Buffalo's Parkside/Park Meadow/Central Park concentration, much of SE Rochester, much of Syracuse's East Side(Meadowbrook/Scottholm/Bradford Hills/University Area concentration), among others off the top of my head, that are within city limits of Rust Belt cities.
Some street views of these areas, Detroit-Sherwood Forest: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4371...7i13312!8i6656
University District: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4244...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Palmer Woods: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4339...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Green Acres: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4415...6!9m2!1b1!2i40

Buffalo-Parkside: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9358...7i13312!8i6656
Park Meadow: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9396...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Central Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9450...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
North Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9486...6!9m2!1b1!2i40


Rochester-Cobbs Hill: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1396...7i13312!8i6656
East Avenue: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1499...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Park Avenue: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1458...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Highland Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1366...6!9m2!1b1!2i40


Syracuse-Scottholm: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0422...7i13312!8i6656
Meadowbrook: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0384...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Bradford Hills: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0362...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
University Area: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0349...6!9m2!1b1!2i40
Berkeley Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0309...6!9m2!1b1!2i40

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Old 10-02-2018, 08:59 PM
 
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[quote=ckhthankgod;53252195]Some street views of these areas,

Rochester-Cobbs Hill: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1396...7i13312!8i6656

Love those classic street lamps on Nunda Blvd! They must be close to 100 years old.
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Old 10-03-2018, 07:08 AM
 
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Some street views of these areas,

Rochester-Cobbs Hill: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1396...7i13312!8i6656

Love those classic street lamps on Nunda Blvd! They must be close to 100 years old.
Yes and many of these cities still have neighborhoods that have that old money look/feel to them. Here is one from a lesser known Rust Belt city: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0784...6!9m2!1b1!2i40

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Old 10-04-2018, 02:08 AM
 
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This is going to surprise some people, but Pueblo Colorado was (is) one of the largest steel producing cities in the US. and has experienced some of the same issues as traditional Rust Belt cities in the US. like population stagnation, (unlike most of Colorado's large cities which are among the nation's fastest growing), higher than average crime, and is still struggling to diversify it's economy. It also has some of the nation's lowest housing costs, which is really surprising when you consider that most of the rest of Colorado has become astronomically expensive over the past ten years. The city has improved as of late especially in the downtown area, but struggles to keep up with the rest of the state.

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Old 10-06-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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I liked Cleveland a lot when I visited. Only thing prohibitive for me were the winters, cloud cover, snow and property taxes. Nice area overall. Don' t know why it gets put down so much.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:00 PM
 
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I was very pleasantly surprised by Dayton, OH. I was expecting a depressing, sort of run down, dirty city and while it does have some sketchy parts to it, overall it's very pleasant in my opinion - and so are the other major Ohio cities I've seen. Another thing that surprised me is how diverse Dayton is, and I like that. I think diversity adds a lot of spice to places.
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Old 10-07-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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I was very pleasantly surprised by Dayton, OH. I was expecting a depressing, sort of run down, dirty city and while it does have some sketchy parts to it, overall it's very pleasant in my opinion - and so are the other major Ohio cities I've seen. Another thing that surprised me is how diverse Dayton is, and I like that. I think diversity adds a lot of spice to places.
I think your last sentence is a surprise with most Rust Belt cities. They tend to be more diverse than people may realize or give them credit for.

They also have a reputation for being segregated, but you can also find integrated areas within these cities as well. For instance, SW Detroit is actually quite diverse and integrated due to being the center of the city’s Hispanic/Latino community, while still having a substantial white population in parts of that section. So, even that aspect will vary within Rust Belt cities.
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Old 10-08-2018, 07:41 AM
 
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I think your last sentence is a surprise with most Rust Belt cities. They tend to be more diverse than people may realize or give them credit for.

They also have a reputation for being segregated, but you can also find integrated areas within these cities as well. For instance, SW Detroit is actually quite diverse and integrated due to being the center of the city’s Hispanic/Latino community, while still having a substantial white population in parts of that section. So, even that aspect will vary within Rust Belt cities.
Another such area that comes to mind is NE Rochester, which has a nice mix of blacks, whites and Hispanics and runs the gamut economically(from inner to outer, the median household income generally increases). Specific neighborhoods such as Homestead Heights and Northland-Lyceum are the most balanced demographically, while being quite stable: https://rocwiki.org/Homestead_Heights
Census Tract 005400 in Monroe County, New York
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1742...7i13312!8i6656

https://rocwiki.org/Northland-Lyceum
Census Tract 008301 in Monroe County, New York
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1839...7i13312!8i6656
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